From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:04:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87il6bt4z0.fsf@yahoo.com> <8734xetjkk.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywhsrcf.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywgx1z0.fsf@web.de> <83wmuowwp3.fsf@gnu.org> <8334xcwank.fsf@gnu.org> <83ttpsuiv4.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs1buzqs.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24225"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 16 04:05:21 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r3Sgx-00062C-AP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 16 Nov 2023 04:05:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3SgJ-0001In-5M; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:04:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3SgH-0001Ce-CY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:04:37 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3SgH-0004lI-3b; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:04:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=pjgnOJ0r60bOjVyMxMOVzQoXDs1dIzVeTNGJkSPsOfo=; b=Kev45tSghryr 4JJdsSlRZUdwfXwAxWib+snzwTh7bvu36PSZCDvvpC2QEKmuhZm0WoVKAxrbWAY/gQ6dqUGC+zS2h HaX878Dm2tBWZHBjZ0C79OhxDkgMQ0S5Mnj4fhQxPLbtv1WRcycMBT04CBlcJTg6jQHr0Jgu3CzvR +hV6f4lHOp2+VhntiLjWqYx8H4j8EFes93ut4i84mnP6muy+xy/9HOvDMRJmKUbXtvR+V3NsWpDDD H98nfvg6gpSNlQrDuiypXZGWqvQT0PRAB3zuY3u2h6ZUsWrqP5YfkqzQydT0Y4qN767TEWZijPrxz YoEDrtV2kKi9oMlS7laoNw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r3SgG-0007RO-Rx; Wed, 15 Nov 2023 22:04:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= on Mon, 13 Nov 2023 07:28:54 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312779 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Neither you nor Richard ever addressed the question why this > polymorphism is needed or even a Good Thing. I have no opinion on that question. I don't want to argue that we _need_ seq.el. (I don't think we _need_ CL functions either.) Rather, I am comparing these constructs about how much they complicate or burden the Lisp language. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)