From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 22:07:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <871qd8sfdx.fsf@posteo.net> <838r7g8pys.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87msvnhsdi.fsf@dataswamp.org> <25933.15157.138544.776911@orion.rgrjr.com> <25935.55875.453801.29258@orion.rgrjr.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34017"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Bob Rogers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 13 04:08:27 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r2NJK-0008dI-5y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 04:08:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2NIn-0005pI-6h; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 22:07:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2NIi-0005kf-M1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 22:07:48 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2NIi-0007zl-8B; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 22:07:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=t+N0tu+JPEkUkc/dT3mwJVAk7/3sFrEv9jtBaAmLAPc=; b=nYxfu4joQm4E 12V8JnRy+qr8MFoldeIAeOabl5m2jqFl1Up5ANp3gW/E9w3dis3Qdbr7fvALNftLCpZ9JqCDwV8Iv 3IUN57GR/2lIe4Ud5GP32mluYpDOzAUDwlRWkSOQ+PMLRDKS7F7HWcawMIf7vJEstmJQpZfX+9YcM 1IXtzNaxhRwFO1SrZdiEyShkwNCFgduNnEv2TG4rvfLo7kAnMh9YBtHTChgqwtHjT2p8RrKmTIL7/ ut5Z7ZrxP+LAqnnTpYjflvKXrJenpqgLa7GsMpnFg7WCXVj8xG/kGYdM/z2SvpfDc8slBqCz5SAlS thSPeXspROsOzFa/z72mNw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2NIh-0004Hy-HE; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 22:07:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: <25935.55875.453801.29258@orion.rgrjr.com> (message from Bob Rogers on Sat, 11 Nov 2023 11:47:15 -0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312682 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > But that will not cure the larger problem caused by too much usage of > those functions. They were meant to be used in a few obsure corners, > not used so often that maintainers need to know about them. > I know Emacs has many obscure corners. But I didn't think that any were > beyond the reach of the maintainers. ;-} I have the impression that that is meant as a clever riposte to the words you qupted, but I don't understand the point. The words you qupted are not clever wit. They are meant to be serious and straightforward. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)