From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:51:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: <46ab3c7d-d820-4bb4-8ec4-97c614d7c8a0@alphapapa.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4889"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Adam Porter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 01 02:52:01 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qy0Om-0000zl-QJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2023 02:52:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qy0OP-0007l2-Ot; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:51:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qy0OD-0007jr-HQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:51:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qy0OD-0001kv-88; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:51:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=NrDylg2rl+QOvkmHJ4vMgu8gs4mTwxLzWW01tyNkkD8=; b=ZFDE2t53O79m E9JQMqWcAJnKpCaVxAP8Qv3+X7r5b3kqBQeU7JTGx1+czSLhZ63yGV62PMaBirm2CKuFqwp4oK0tU BxlAk4hKgQnTkwDaUCWzWJcldmx9qX2Jr2ROAZ5inZMbZGI0RHaNPxJoodIRTYHXJ4xOWS3DOBDh8 +aEe9i9sAjTlfWwStv9sNC055CrOWYcZVZbRSexHTOjf7qIOce5V5dlqU3XsdpVNb2Gf9gy9Hky6L KG9g7WAwxfwgIRvjANkcclvLAUfzc0nPufaZXdbWkG/AE7BfdgyqdzZUYbizPIvVUP2QKng8wczgB b1rw6JyRD986fW3Lz+Ea4Q==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qy0OC-0005RT-TG; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:51:24 -0400 In-Reply-To: <46ab3c7d-d820-4bb4-8ec4-97c614d7c8a0@alphapapa.net> (message from Adam Porter on Mon, 30 Oct 2023 21:31:41 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312035 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It might be more aesthetically or ideologically pleasing, but it would > be much less useful. If we add a function `pushnew' to Emacs Lisp, it will have a calling convention like other Emacs Lisp functions -- not using CL-style keyword arguments. We could define two functions, `pushnew' and `pushnq', if they are both worth adding. Or maybe the version that uses `equal' would DTRT for most calls and we would only need that one. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)