From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:51:23 -0400 Message-ID: References: <46ab3c7d-d820-4bb4-8ec4-97c614d7c8a0@alphapapa.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4367"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Adam Porter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 01 02:51:55 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qy0Oh-0000tj-Ov for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Nov 2023 02:51:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qy0OL-0007kY-VL; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:51:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qy0OD-0007jq-GO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:51:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qy0OC-0001k5-MF; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:51:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=7x1xZA7TSAOvf4j9bPkL6wGJ9iWUYxqgvhBAy2EQ+Yg=; b=jD0j7SuYU5eC WDdgJfeZvYLtYuXgzbqBhAJiqcySgQ2gCqt9CR49IG8wxvTV2BEgA+xV8r/cXtfwD6viDg6+GryJx 0dc+xxlWBay+7ykeHU1FJ62HrIJ8IHgE07Y5vQ7bnXvZmfDbUSkINCeKc9tnk6ScdMYXlx9UU9c9u DTpVslIlT492RQGgVqeD2PACp10+E3AjR1QQXKzaao4NQxPZCOFEcDFYzPFNjmse2FgHtNV6ukWOD 16Nkn4dl9+cZLy24nJiDUTzn3nnwt2Tgy+yuPmJtBuAwbFrwJEEV0BaybSInPWNIkkwP9nebbwKzE 3m8VsjwFewbz9to7qex9jA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qy0OB-0005RF-Ga; Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:51:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: <46ab3c7d-d820-4bb4-8ec4-97c614d7c8a0@alphapapa.net> (message from Adam Porter on Mon, 30 Oct 2023 21:31:41 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312034 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It might be more aesthetically or ideologically pleasing, but it would > be much less useful. If we add a function `pushnew' to Emacs Lisp, it will not have a :text argument. We are not going to start adding those arguments to ordinary Emavs Lisp functions. We could define `pushnew-equal' as well as `pushnew'. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)