From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:09:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <831qdlpoye.fsf@gnu.org> <83sf5xhnym.fsf@gnu.org> <871qdhk49w.fsf@dataswamp.org> <25914.49745.111873.734458@orion.rgrjr.com> <8334xud0fl.fsf@gnu.org> <6f9dba21-1e90-2cd1-2775-a9bde3d0188f@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35969"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jim Porter Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 30 03:09:59 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qxHj5-00097K-9U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2023 03:09:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qxHi9-0002ia-Ua; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:09:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qxHi8-0002iN-W3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:09:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qxHi8-00046Y-NU; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:09:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=V/lJK0aqsYZQLLWpUsVNadH8be4CHOlAkOdxBEbchnQ=; b=aSGqHM0kbXvl oioatFyllXN5PQUMR69/UTSxeBuEoPIZ8vWwH7mVt5RSAta4NVXplMdvf6ZRyklJXOZwTfGXOtXhv BaWZGQEGds6bvL5hBCHBF+HlDdo63FdlNx0Yha7esDiiMA6iepH03YvtgSOQU+/zo41G/u17LeY3E xG5afS6up7tOcqnzqK3j6UyHSBWXRnTduCIi003esh7B1SQ4vjmDEy62bz7kYYi8ORGWEAEXbQ+0D 8EIgSy/vuRqHMuNPc8lIWw2UW07PWFQbUM/e1Xbjk/GZudi4A/x6z0zykiCp03LlVUp1KXD3IBo6M HIhA4uaZoZWIVb/PXXqbZg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qxHi8-0003X1-AV; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:09:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6f9dba21-1e90-2cd1-2775-a9bde3d0188f@gmail.com> (message from Jim Porter on Sat, 28 Oct 2023 14:03:29 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311980 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Of the conveniences, I think the ones I'd miss the most are 'cl-incf' > and 'cl-decf', which I use in Eshell for recounting some handles. If this pattern extends to many files -- if getf, incf and decf are particularly useful among CL constructs -- making them standard parts of Emacs Lisp would be better than inducing lots of files to load cl-lib. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)