From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:46:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkcpo2cm.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37168"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 25 04:47:17 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvTvQ-0009Qp-Sr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 04:47:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvTvC-0003nL-TF; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvTv9-0003nA-WE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:47:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvTv8-0007ds-91; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:46:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=wAcfiabiZfQWM97cdG77Z6BGUGH6xrL0FuRAnwigUSk=; b=HwQMcx2twWSL lrXCpsdFZvQIp5//fvEAg80f5FgjP2bBkNWRSGt9GMJp/gBEFU26eFConAilFl8TrP4+cdrmgmQe3 g4g1X/qpf4lnYSOSt4k+fv8Z/NCjITtoBVTvayaSVVm5QnGy9cxhb8zxUC7Mi6OBHRRJ4mFbaMeQL E0zXEnVWJvIHxu6BxkTUrrwR9NNEHSnsoe2OlvZXliCH+pGt6a0yKvEFTbrotjR8rYEL+PPJyKQ3M h0HtFykqRjtMtoOcGJo4GdpaLEbj1gV+JYWiO8wclyJ2T2hEnK4KF9jVBTd8J7SIvqXJaqeDtlbdI 3V2NY16icgJAgXyvLsVOKw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvTv3-0005Kb-Qn; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:46:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83bkcpo2cm.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 23 Oct 2023 17:11:37 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311823 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Even calling M-: (backtrace) causes cl-lib to get loaded. > That's because we use cl-print to display the backtrace. That change > was done intentionally and for good reasons. So that is not a > "problem" that needs to be "fixed", from where I stand. Can this load cl-print.el instead of cl-lib.el? Would that do the job? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)