From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:44:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5scs9pu.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkcrrebj.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31595"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 25 04:46:11 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvTuN-00082M-Gy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 04:46:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvTt6-0002Fl-8A; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:44:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvTt4-0002FJ-Mf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:44:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvTt4-0006sX-58; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:44:50 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=q00AVCHxp+bJaSjsXOC3s4COVUDa8qP3uwRlWa9BARo=; b=KF2D8uKJxU/R urHKMHRLVNkr0QOb4KfzY4grJ70SHt++mCstyNhmU9VVNJc79DRWL9/37s+i87JnFHk+KKDQ1Dmu6 xV+U3sQFxXPH6tNm8JlGJlN5SzkTyEe+Wi4XIdKEGfriVztd2d4NeXQnmVBIhlRGf3rXYn8Ut347O wRoPp0Y397BnHy4BRQ0QA7Xe+CiUNpf3lv/pQP9/GJ2+x4TJ31jyc55dxwfVcfMOusIR+/hyj5C+o 4IyEMhXySrEcYvnJC9Jwz/xQT96gyEPplOLIVl8hewKlJTR7YB7QebA9HZ2lIJJ2zFWCndLSVZUO9 XFW31lMri828FQY843iRKg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvTt3-0004gy-Sx; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:44:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sat, 21 Oct 2023 20:38:31 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311821 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > frameset.el makes moderately heavy use of cl-lib, including at least two > externally visible cl-defun's where keyword parameters are used. It > would be a lot of work to replace cl-lib in this file cl-defun is a macro; using it ought to work without causing cl-lib to be loaded. So if frameset.el does load cl-lib, the next question is what it is in the file that actually does so. We might discover an underlying bug by which some construction loads cl-lib but shouldn't do so. Or we might find a few things frameset.el which load cl-lib for clear reasons, but which would be a small change. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)