From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:28:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87il8betof.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83fs3dgxv8.fsf@gnu.org> <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13761"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 19 03:29:25 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qtHqm-0003Nn-PV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 03:29:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtHq8-0005Ru-BD; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:28:44 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtHq7-0005Pb-7C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:28:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtHq6-0001mv-DC; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:28:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=AKz970Mgm3K0R7WCRLkyXJhbzlpl7YHcgdjCcE04RrM=; b=ngV8C2Ao5JRT UbNViGAr1r4qLikzjVkY7d8lmVgz0cauTj8YTS7bfXYGdeRlGMaJA+UeKVh/sLUtYvNIbfHv0crL1 S0TJnQXT5u9431TuyOO/5YLvEmM0IxuXPKe2RzwRmJ5NwScnHxHDzflYvnI6Bbd/jUtboqEDTiLar 8iLQqj60QEnKfxXfroLo/HjOEyPbTpnhlSo90btpnjnOb9d+a0MwTjq3tl0a6kLK1tgv+BUrdsmjH 31Lz6CKSza1+Mygg8x6FJyeuP3Vc+QTTEVQ/kZ2hZ+n5CMh6XY0m0cVEvgBVANLe6XJcaJS2s4ZfQ B2aswrRyeZgxWtcUwSSeXg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtHq5-0006Bf-VY; Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:28:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Tue, 17 Oct 2023 06:51:41 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311566 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I've changed the subject line to match what we are talking about. > 226 files, or 14%, use cl-lib at run time. These cases may be more or less problematical, but not necessarily equally so. Which of those files are usually loaded when you start Emacs with no arguments? Those we should certainly fix. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)