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From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, eliz@gnu.org,
	philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 07:33:37 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1ql6Jt-0007BA-US@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: In-Reply-To: 	<CALDnm511f0yxXoVzHcgoasY=6QEbqTd3yguzucObaJmoB1L3hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(message from João Távora on Tue, 26 Sep 2023 12:24:01 +0100)


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   On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 11:57 AM Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev> wrote:
   >
   > On 26/09/2023 11:06, João Távora wrote:
   > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2023 at 6:36 AM Alfred M. Szmidt<ams@gnu.org>  wrote:
   > >
   > >> If you have a diff on file, you are most probobly going to apply it,
   > >> and also probobly going to remove a hunk or two or edit the diff in
   > >> some manner.  (That this is "relatively rare" I disagree from my own
   > >> usage and experience).  Not to mention that visiting a file on disk,
   > >> that is read-write, and Emacs making it read-only would be very
   > >> strange.
   > > I completely agree with these two points.  Even non-file diff-mode
   > > buffers, such as the ones provided by piping git diff into Emacs
   > > (yes, I can do that 😄 ) are generally better left read-write,
   > > since I frequently edit them to kill hunks I'm not interested in.
   >
   > 'k' (or M-k), 'C-c C-s' and 'C-_' all work fine in a read-only diff-mode
   > buffer. 'C-x C-s' also works, of course.

   I think it's very inconsistent to have specialized commands to modify
   a buffers contents and not allow all the other regular commands that
   modify a buffer do their work.  I don't have unlimited brain address
   space for keybindings and I think C-SPC C-n a few times C-w does
   the job just fine.

Or fixing a typo, or renaming a variable, or some such ...

   Opening regular files of a special type read-only mode would be a
   spectacular failure in the basic ergonomics of an editor.

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-26 11:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-19  6:03 Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-19 10:58 ` Eshel Yaron
2023-08-19 11:18   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-20  1:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-20  6:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-20  6:42     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20  8:44   ` Yuri Khan
2023-08-20 22:51     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-29 10:53       ` João Távora
2023-08-29 11:35         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-08-30  0:52         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-30 18:46           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 19:59             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-30 20:37           ` João Távora
2023-08-30 21:49             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-30 22:01               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 22:04                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-04  6:03                 ` Rudolf Schlatte
2023-09-04 11:04                   ` João Távora
2023-09-04 12:18                     ` Rudolf Schlatte
2023-08-31  5:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-31  8:02                 ` João Távora
2023-09-04 15:45                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-04 23:34                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-04 17:23               ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-04 17:53                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-05  6:38                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-05  7:46                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-04 18:04                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-05  6:43                   ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-04 20:49                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-04 17:15   ` Juri Linkov
2023-09-04 18:02     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-05 13:56       ` Alexander Adolf
2023-09-05 14:00         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-06 13:25           ` Alexander Adolf
2023-08-20 13:00 ` sbaugh
2023-09-07 14:39 ` João Távora
2023-09-07 16:20   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-07 16:49     ` João Távora
2023-09-07 17:06       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-07 17:24         ` João Távora
2023-09-07 17:54           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-07 18:12             ` João Távora
2023-09-07 21:56               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-07 23:46         ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-07 20:41     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-07 22:03       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-07 22:43         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-07 22:18     ` João Távora
2023-09-07 22:39       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08  6:18         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-08 18:25           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 18:35             ` João Távora
2023-09-08 18:38               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 18:44                 ` João Távora
2023-09-08 19:29                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 18:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-08 19:01                 ` João Távora
2023-09-08  6:55         ` João Távora
2023-09-08 15:42           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-08 16:05             ` João Távora
2023-09-08 16:20               ` João Távora
2023-09-25 23:11                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-25 23:32                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26  5:36                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26  8:06                     ` João Távora
2023-09-26 10:57                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 11:24                         ` João Távora
2023-09-26 11:33                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt [this message]
2023-09-26 11:34                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 12:57                             ` João Távora
2023-09-26 13:09                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 13:52                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 13:38                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-26 14:06                             ` João Távora
2023-09-26 14:31                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 14:51                                 ` João Távora
2023-09-26 14:54                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 15:17                                     ` João Távora
2023-09-26 15:35                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 15:38                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 15:47                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 16:01                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 16:10                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 10:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 12:36                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 15:32                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-26 16:31                                               ` Yuri Khan
2023-09-26 17:28                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-29 11:10                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 10:49                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 12:36                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 15:01                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-09-26 15:22                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 10:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 12:30                                       ` Robert Pluim
2023-09-29 13:11                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-29 13:13                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 13:16                                           ` João Távora
2023-09-29 13:19                                             ` João Távora
2023-09-29 15:20                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-10-01 12:07                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-01 18:43                                                   ` Howard Melman
2023-09-29 15:47                                           ` Drew Adams
2023-09-29 15:30                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-26 15:27                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 10:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 12:36                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 15:34                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 15:40                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 16:22                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 16:32                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 16:51                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 17:32                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29 17:56                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 18:02                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-09-26 10:55                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 12:03                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-26 12:11                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-26 12:20                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-29  6:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 10:21                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-29 15:20                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 17:20                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-29 17:36                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-29 17:44                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 18:35               ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found]                 ` <CALDnm52Wtat24JFu=o6m_eJVamub+1H1BxNd5eELQ2j--7OetA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                   ` <da4cb294-39eb-c4a1-a625-da5ee183170c@gutov.dev>
2023-09-08 18:57                     ` João Távora
2023-09-07 19:06   ` Felician Nemeth
2023-09-07 19:19     ` João Távora
2023-09-07 19:25     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-07 19:28       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-07 22:14         ` João Távora
2023-09-07 20:43     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-07 22:39   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 11:10     ` João Távora
2023-09-08 22:35       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 23:17         ` João Távora
2023-09-08 12:46   ` Eshel Yaron
2023-09-08 12:52     ` João Távora
2023-09-08 13:18       ` Eshel Yaron
2023-10-01 15:07         ` Extract to new definition (was: Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs) Eshel Yaron
2023-09-08 13:30       ` [semi off topic] grep-based refactoring [was: Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs] tomas
2023-09-08 17:53         ` João Távora
2023-09-08 18:24           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-09-08 18:51             ` tomas

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