From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:27:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87il8betof.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87jzspcgc9.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87wmwmxvag.fsf@dataswamp.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1122"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 21 22:27:59 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qjQHH-000Ab9-9k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 22:27:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qjQGu-00073d-LG; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:27:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qjQGt-00070k-Em for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:27:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qjQGs-0000gB-90; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:27:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=w4DznMuHH7YEPu3jinljw3/dP6s3DugP1Nnh0T1oC3c=; b=XKbpycdrg1Bb 62GokLNvOX/E6jsa5DoaLcjyeQDg2li0W+oemW2wGZmoA+qJBL7ezxLxXWhsEEnQkmF32l8t4fvRb 9DADbmDor/Q1FnHy83U9hIPMh//i4+JAfWakfl4bDvBtcY4SwLZ+wrQwubHK1UaXkb0i0KGu9kcQt /4hBtC8j841U8Fpb1CUvXCjFZFfBFhHmlE9Trw3B/I9u8UsLOsnabxsAFkI+iS2U4m+MBa2iJ7HuJ GcEwrAqAWPPRIZi9ya8jhwWi/rpSKZku+EU3G9qM1OV0SmUoHKSVes0NvErwZcjlzE4GIJaYEsQMj L7ZPGiHopPjFrb8xKcnMTw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qjQGq-0004gJ-OX; Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:27:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87wmwmxvag.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Tue, 19 Sep 2023 13:21:59 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310931 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think that non-programmers are a lost cause in this case > anyway and for programmers the complexity increase from > non-cl-lib Elisp to cl-lib is pretty much negligible? This dichotomy oversimplifies the various levels of skill and knowledge that people have for Emacs Lisp programming. People's skill at programming varies across a wide range. Programmers' knowledge of Emacs Lisp likewise -- there is so much you could learn if you want to but few have time to learn it all. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)