From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Clojure mode Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 21:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87a5uw9ivs.fsf@posteo.net> <87ttt42gna.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmy080kn.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8djcydl.fsf@gnu.org> <87350ndquw.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyzrjbd8.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83zg2vav46.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j99304.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87zg2hsyrd.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87h6ontwfv.fsf@posteo.net> <4874df51-9652-f9fd-0576-9dd6a4cba31a@gutov.dev> <3d5ef276-ce6b-9ff0-0c60-1da6b887b365@gutov.dev> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19486"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org, danny@dfreeman.email To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 29 03:53:02 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qanug-0004tx-T0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 03:53:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qants-00084d-On; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 21:52:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qantr-00084T-Kh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 21:52:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qantp-0004T9-Ic; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 21:52:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=kxYea0w3B+88+LUmxuwvhEO+3PCupC0+2O9saXRr+rk=; b=kjQfiVUunnhF hkEUkmzj+g8uod6ZvMkBoPf1vMYokeWJoSSnTspR1G+4ESON3TA172IR6aF1aZ+xeLYJ6cKIQsgKN lg20pI4hr3xZfScL8QdBDb0nM1QOnTcLJ1QoieRH5bupQU3JW8VVKEDtJmbiLwlgJdfrGjMLvE0DC TdglK40YsdLVrlZGOqU/kfj/4JylmATVw595rIpvZftEo6RobHSxNqVF7JQ1yVDMwH4PQMcllTokm 68h9bSpjysqNnCU209Ns59SeeQZbHlOrovM0kcWanDoVGngu2VpfvuB8ORQbOl+MVtQwszqwYLCj1 XU+fh5xWrKrh8cM7kczH5w==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qantp-0005ch-9r; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 21:52:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3d5ef276-ce6b-9ff0-0c60-1da6b887b365@gutov.dev> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sun, 27 Aug 2023 04:42:46 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309465 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > clojure-mode is an existing package with thousands (tens of thousands? > millions?) users and certain existing functionality. Other (also > third-party) packages rely on it for various functionality. It's not a > bare-bones major mode with basic functionality only. This underscores my point: clojure-mode is an important feature, so Emacs should provide it. It should be a full-fledged part of Emacs, documented in Emacs. To leave these jobs to nonrecommended add-ons, such as found in NonGNU-ELPA, is not doing a good job. We hope that Emacs users who write extensions will appreciate Emacs enough to contribute them to Emacs. Usually they do. When they don't, that's unfortunate -- but we can make up for it. It isn't an lot of work compared with all the work we do on Emacs in a year. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)