From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 22:12:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y1u8b1gj.fsf@gmail.com> <8735cgot9x.fsf@gnu.org> <83leq7naql.fsf@gnu.org> <86o7v3ryan.fsf@gmail.com> <87wn9qfyv6.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zy63u3.fsf@localhost> <87h70ufwr1.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j48eg9.fsf@localhost> <83ttsw2oeb.fsf@gnu.org> <87lee889ta.fsf@localhost> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4132"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, bzg@gnu.org, yantar92@gmail.com, theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 23 04:13:25 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qYdN6-0000oX-DC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 04:13:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYdMH-00088G-Na; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 22:12:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYdMF-00087k-CA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 22:12:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYdMD-0001iI-TF; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 22:12:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=H2Sip4cH+7gfOlsDpF1MP+9XnDjVJJEnxG6BmkDgq7w=; b=OmBi6eVfOhRc Qu6kvc0Al4JypEjSLIxY2QVuirInxnIn7h4Xd+EJ7gvIIj80LvsZB7ZzhQIKLo4LakNwEWyi2mOl3 YPlU9PzwL7b0HFEQHUGrUaA7MY+Y8dhd5nVD9TOZzOWIxoXa/BlmrG7t7CW9d3KZbGf01szmsnAzl hdOSdHXSCzMu028dd/vBwnfMPxNUsoqt6caOeUTex6mMk05CU6xqbgcaae/v1oS57AqmFXTgnEKxA MBMRDbcG4M8haokb+hPRH8zJEuJjMZJmMz+vJhiiaV+f2nJ/v6shb9aTJNP3BcH/P5ewkETfow3p+ aXeswC+qa8scR2JFy7saIg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYdMD-0002hP-KY; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 22:12:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87lee889ta.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Fri, 18 Aug 2023 18:49:53 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309118 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Having said that, RMS officially asked Org team to work towards allowing > Org to become the new GNU documentation standard. > https://list.orgmode.org/orgmode/87bkqx4jyg.fsf@localhost/ The words quoted above can be interpreted in multiple ways, so when I read it the first time, it didn't seem like anything I would have sad. Now I see it does fit, when interpreted differently. My suggestion was not that we adopt the current Org format for GNU documentation. The current Org format doesn't have all the features that are needed -- it can't do the job that Texinfo does for us. But I think the Org format could be _extended_ into a format that would have all the features we need -- and then, with work, it could become superior to Texinfo. That would be an advance overall for documentation, and Org developers will appreciate that Org plays a role in it. The idea is based on a factual assumption that I think is true but it couldn't hurt to check. As I understand it, Org format is fits into a family of formats, also including Markup and Sphinx, which are similar in the basics. Because of this, I think a lot of people would find it easier to learn to use Org mode (including the extensions that will be needed) than Texinfo. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)