From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:11:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20230809094655.793FC18A4654@snark.thyrsus.com> <87fs4pkkqi.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87jztzkgct.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87y1if8j8t.fsf@linux-m68k.org> <87y1ifi9fv.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87zg2uqdmv.fsf@localhost> <87edk3gbh3.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87jztvnuyb.fsf@localhost> <875y5bdutt.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87y1i6e1uh.fsf@localhost> <874jkub40o.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87jztqdw2l.fsf@localhost> <87msym9i4r.fsf@dataswamp.org> <877cpp914t.fsf@localhost> <835y59wmp1.fsf@gnu.org> <877cpp7b3f.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20967"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 20 22:12:56 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qXon8-0005Fy-Lr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 22:12:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXomD-0003vV-4L; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:11:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXomB-0003v7-EH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:11:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXomB-0001Rk-3a; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:11:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=8R/VFtFaAB0KqNGZmMOBe2yphlhTa+d/VIeXvlPA9Rw=; b=X27MmCW1fS6n D+uOMx0B+a2aoRgT+HVQRuH1oJF+MCvhjdmSZCnnJI7VXNCFqYehsNRPfepJTDbUCFpA+kc6qWLGZ Dh6aYHSp8jhvgaP9Kl8Svm4ywz92+7Dc7C8TIFGZ9+1Ln1ufNZL9QO0pDb5WoAwxwPLn87LwDKt36 jtgiX1cc40my0BpsyRvMfbAfFLYYkVNDnPpVI0t6HRzT6XGMW/AXZwpz2vo7oTkN0qEslAicgF/J6 1ODqzg15mDNwu325JqkDXkBnDKjDDfwozmrxqa6wXarb/hhpVBUYRDD1Z2KDfPi57PM98RTWm2Ulx H906kwoI7lvJAG7D5WahHQ==; Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXomA-00056H-SJ; Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:11:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <877cpp7b3f.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sun, 20 Aug 2023 19:44:20 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308994 Archived-At: > 'car' does have a dedicated bytecode op-code, but that op-code simply > calls XCAR, exactly like Fcar and CAR above do: Then, I conclude that the example with CL version of `car' is actually not worse in Elisp: Then you conclude it wrong, you're comparing a full lambda with body and what not. Given the basic lack of compiler theory I'm sorta going to leave this discussion for now.