From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 15:10:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <6537fa5fa5c1fe8437ed99ee0988e35895f5a54b.camel@yandex.ru> <8423a35750d8d8e0437c7708f6b4d0bbdfdb7fe0.camel@yandex.ru> <6981052a75913ea435ae2adaccdaa1c66252a6df.camel@yandex.ru> <6a22f3608f37e238ffbd20d6dead86d3aa76d01e.camel@yandex.ru> <96766e99bf2618cc4290498933c6e32bc2a0f98a.camel@yandex.ru> <83o7ldpcs8.fsf@gnu.org> <3c64fe534fee45ff75c9e2c3cece8e2ee146091e.camel@yandex.ru> <87bkhdnl94.fsf@posteo.net> <183ae6c17b4d07701e76003dc72c25d8d2705611.camel@yandex.ru> <87pm5t7yu4.fsf@yahoo.com> <339b006829e123a3f6eeaffbd66f557ea837fdcd.camel@yandex.ru> <87y1kgdax7.fsf@web.de> <83o7lc91kh.fsf@gnu.org> <87leggd2cu.fsf@web.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4212"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, hi-angel@yandex.ru, luangruo@yahoo.com, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 18 21:11:03 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qAxni-0000x2-P2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 21:11:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAxmx-0004Ns-2O; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 15:10:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAxmu-0004Nc-Aq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 15:10:12 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAxmr-0001ml-CD; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 15:10:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=EdUsgiQ9yANmhCaspp1pWp5EaFxUvo6COuYH+YUZSkI=; b=oTSB3ETdqEPZ bFHuAqnzCorbgd6oaqkAX6GPZQxFpciEgVyDRBeqy64793aU4N8imICR5E8nqUXLflniBnrz454yY p5/3HNbgS5ZlBe8WLynGdhFZZfqo7VMle+v880tvmdaDNps0rCW5M3Ctd4EmEvbLp3vz1eEaWr8Vs SwYworTkgvqqkHlZGVcqTOixlU/PeZ45Yk2rs5xXvGD3FxoC9QHQA+79ULhu0FUjpxxYJSOL7ZhDa bBxj5XpvVNq3gwCMU9RxG8rUeOxfsMurtOMtUOHiEACVftOCxddDdhYKHT867+1y7RGp2swhqDCfe StGI7fhcXxTmXrObYLD2RA==; Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAxmp-0004rJ-Pm; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 15:10:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87leggd2cu.fsf@web.de> (arne_bab@web.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307009 Archived-At: >> In the discussion it became clear (at least to me) that the way to >> contribute is not the main complication, but the discoverability of that >> way and that the way seems hard when you see more than a sheet of paper >> in print as instructions. > > You are inventing a problem where there is none. You said that the w32 port didn’t get many additional devs. I’m trying to find reasons — and on the website I see obvious reasons that keep people from contributing. And the more I look into it, the more I see how broken the new-dev-wants-to-contribute usecase of the website is. Someone contributing a complicated feature like w32 most surley would have read the Emacs manual once or twice. Or at least looked over the source code -- maybe starting with README file. What keeps people from contributing complicated thing is that they are complicated. Lets stop making a mountain of a molehill.