From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 05:57:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8fnh1h2.fsf@web.de> <83mt0zs9rc.fsf@gnu.org> <0a968a4e1b267c0f15dd237e6ea12a709fc06d5e.camel@yandex.ru> <838rcisj7o.fsf@gnu.org> <6537fa5fa5c1fe8437ed99ee0988e35895f5a54b.camel@yandex.ru> <8423a35750d8d8e0437c7708f6b4d0bbdfdb7fe0.camel@yandex.ru> <6981052a75913ea435ae2adaccdaa1c66252a6df.camel@yandex.ru> <6a22f3608f37e238ffbd20d6dead86d3aa76d01e.camel@yandex.ru> <96766e99bf2618cc4290498933c6e32bc2a0f98a.camel@yandex.ru> <83o7ldpcs8.fsf@gnu.org> <3c64fe534fee45ff75c9e2c3cece8e2ee146091e.camel@yandex.ru> <87ilbl9ma8.fsf@yahoo.com> <7f0384b360a93effb73d685ce3e377fd14065f95.camel@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32051"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 18 11:57:46 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qApAH-0008A8-L0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 11:57:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAp9w-0006Rx-EA; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 05:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAp9v-0006Rl-1n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 05:57:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAp9u-0006ZK-PN; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 05:57:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=RqTavUJ3YtP4DKXgQ/PLNQ2gxoQxStt8Zc7XgZbve68=; b=JA1h0amNodcm d14834jGX00ux+voCwLz+cNvvqUv80Rn/JIfesPvhin71GdZCNZWv00BB1ZBsghourdDJPnjBTFRP KZOIZSsr0XJ9rIzKU5RIsTsQxdx6xAdqhfcp1Pk8xQ9KA0zRWpzdYLBAtnJg2D/gGtvsAAuK/CCES vYdGVTaY26UHqvaXwRswHBBROiIXT4qOJLBx8NkePe05tHlQGrmniziGlprL5bZEAT2uNPGF6L1E2 9tI8fYm3Zq1PQdHvEbAAXauL2ngNPyQ6ESP/AIC3e8CLVcXorW5w7Ua2jzCrD1FSEThZsSgmB5+yn ex7kWIzUnUo6KChdLm2RmQ==; Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qAp9t-0007O1-Ox; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 05:57:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <7f0384b360a93effb73d685ce3e377fd14065f95.camel@yandex.ru> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:23:44 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306939 Archived-At: > > You can't send a patch if you don't know how and where to send it 😊 > > So you can't avoid reading that section. > > I cannot help but wonder how a person who is unable to read several > short paragraphs of text would have learned the programming languages in > which Emacs is written. The point is not (in)ability to read. The point is the additional mental load from the many additional actions that are needed to contribute. What about the mental load of the maintainers? Those chapers exist for a reason, to make life easier for both contributors and maintainers so that there is a well documented, agreed upon, standard to follow. And you're not even required to read them, the only action you have is to send a patch -- if even that, since there are plenty of times when someone sends a suggestion and the maintainers or someone else implement the feature! There are literally no additional actions. Emacs is a luxurious project in that regard, and the little nod once in a while to read one or two chapters is the least we can do to thank those that do the daily work.