From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: rmail and mime encoded patches annoyance Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 07:08:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83sfbsu8el.fsf@gnu.org> <83pm6wtx0c.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23850"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 19 13:09:39 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pzxzN-00060x-Lx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 19 May 2023 13:09:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pzxy7-0005wW-HO; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:08:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pzxy5-0005wG-S6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:08:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pzxy5-0001hH-KR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:08:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=erSm1XhYY3R0PxH0R/TXyJjq+vsULl1qTj1R0eEe7uo=; b=R6TPPyqqHEFv B/LEp/qk5J18dXX9RzpNTPDZi51iz5bo1aBIdZQZ5ZwIGUtTxtO8UQwamSn1TaO8eqP+oiivVitkm KgivkCl3eIfSyPlKYv2lPC9VB67o1VNlIAF/qaYex/gtkrQJax7vp16nQzAGoCFV6PKYiUf3YgrVS ZS19BZG71BK0QyudyowRKxuZd7SQvFliRkhlzrMZIXUynz6MrS1N7+N2MaEF5WN9/tlmOSYZM983L nKsVwAOhYRfeMX0A2WCY/fwut5oxFS6Qzm9iW8sHV0SUtX0FHAO1s41qBHuC4gsqk+IrhsjPZu2pA LHQoVcV/dDGBNPP33KpAiA==; Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pzxy5-0005Nt-Cl; Fri, 19 May 2023 07:08:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83pm6wtx0c.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 19 May 2023 13:51:15 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306205 Archived-At: Buffers aren't permanent. I'd need to save the buffer to a file, to later re-open, and then send -- possibly also remove the file when done. RMAIL already keeps tabs on what messages I've replied to or not, or have edited. And I get all of that just in one go, when I edit a message. I can label messages, and show only specific ones based on labels. Adding FCC/BCC is an extra additional step that is very easy to forget, which also involves actually sending your email, and fetching your email -- so a permanent network connection. All the suggestions are additional work, work which did not exist before MIME. It is neither incremental, nor inuitive if you are already familiar with rmail-edit. I too review lots of patches (about 20-30 per day), and this is only annoying when people send them as something that is not "text", and was hoping to minimize that work using a workflow that has worked for decades -- so I'm not that interested in other ways of working, rather figuring out how one could fix rmail-edit so that it continues to work.