From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Regression in dump-emacs-portable Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2023 23:11:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <96b742a05d8973cda0fd@heytings.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38924"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gregory@heytings.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lynn Winebarger Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 25 05:12:13 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pVluu-0009pL-9s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2023 05:12:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pVluJ-0003uV-QC; Fri, 24 Feb 2023 23:11:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pVluI-0003u6-Qc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2023 23:11:34 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pVluI-0004PQ-I1; Fri, 24 Feb 2023 23:11:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=3gtIiNxu1seYuwAhKrIuu6wVs3ZLZhgRl2EpzoMYZoY=; b=dNw4sKoLceKU rsp6c4omfhw6jEWCT2TJBEfi86uzXPR74tJqwuOAbE2UUeR5qFuamWWMEEHv6kWvHDe64ubcL7prv b4FVLiXTy2Z3h1GqxrXRuMBX68u50moXlrOmhYhcByVfxTMsQEFl8GQnMKO6tp6/xGbc+qdH7RtRA R69HVhrEGPaEbFBDtHwpXMSIOnRwTPk2v/dVnV1Ggr8Q25lEGrUjduEfMj2u1GARiX8YpYGuk1c9E xTRbGkCLyEwpMY/cID4UjJ9nLBOc6crgZTloWXPgnTJIVNqQ2jAZsKWECJe6gApWF3WUflyqnWIGF 9GXSfzsIddslN6RJuuuaWg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pVluI-0003Xe-12; Fri, 24 Feb 2023 23:11:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Lynn Winebarger on Thu, 23 Feb 2023 17:32:12 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:303782 Archived-At: > I've also historically used the default settings of Emacs for the most > part. But if I want to see how optional features provided by packages > actually work, I want to be able to turn them on and off in an > options-type menu the way I would in these other editors. Some > libraries/packages provide customizations via autoload, but to really > be sure you see all the knobs (and get some notion of what the > functionality might be), the packages have to be loaded. Loading a > bunch of libraries/packages (particularly packages) at startup can be > slow. I agree that this is a good area for improvement. M-x customize was a stab in that direction, but it isn't as good as what other programs do. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)