From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Finalizing 'inhibit-automatic-native-compilation' Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 23:19:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <837cx8cey0.fsf@gnu.org> <83357vauh5.fsf@gnu.org> <837cx6a8me.fsf@gnu.org> <83357ua6ja.fsf@gnu.org> <83zga28ra8.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0vd97s0.fsf@gnu.org> <83lell73yv.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0145guk.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17643"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 31 05:20:32 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pMi8F-0004OR-V1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2023 05:20:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMi7d-0005Bf-T8; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 23:19:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMi7c-0005BG-V0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 23:19:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMi7c-0003bS-LL; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 23:19:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=cKMdan2FWVxhL/VTOdOWBoyZOWLJFIZMiU3phNVpS1M=; b=shRrV/Z4ZULQ 3XpKqDl96aaII7G10IIt2EvXGz0j6DnTbD6//HhvgSvp+0SiekYdcWgjeRGlSdgM6IDr2Av7NdUyC EMhazpBCOKjLcihadClhXCD5jtK2u0EcbE7Wp9j1CUbdlJEaXSHST756u5rtnSxEmNx+aIOr58P6Z rnCum9ijThfpjMlmYSXjlq6D5nBllOBzCOqsellshbq0fS+Wja0141yL4Tt17+lECUa3dTfc+SaUa tICnZOBgruYSMhb59RZDuQQt/sTLXHjP/QUK4PNkC8+xyj2JVZBszW8lJ+fNAHaNC6gcN/mUuzAHY 4UX4DcMeyKXQGOA8Fizriw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pMi7c-0007zV-CR; Mon, 30 Jan 2023 23:19:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 30 Jan 2023 09:57:18 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:302815 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > (b) is completely outside the control of the user, it's just a matter of > the user using a package which relies on such an advice. I'd be very > surprised if this never happens. What sort of scenario would this be? Should we treat this as proper usage, or as "don't complain if it breaks"? Native compilation or no, I think that releasing a package A that puts advice on functions outside of A is asking to lose. I wouldn't suggest we try to make it impossible to do that, but we should try to keep the code in Emacs and ELPA free of such practices. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)