From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Package "luwak" Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 18:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87k02ws0pd.fsf@posteo.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8357"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 14 00:59:31 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p5FBJ-0001so-KR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 00:59:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5FAf-0000Cs-Fu; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 18:58:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5FAe-0000Ck-Hu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 18:58:48 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5FAe-0000LV-9U; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 18:58:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=gULlo+4+A/ak6rLxmEjgig7l5SdoJRxZYH/elKHwGkY=; b=YAjM6uaeWqo4 IS1ZRJUmvakSWiEC7wOTfaeEpH2D6QRWq8xMe9u30qhzwXNYq9fc3S0XlgFbwen1enrC63Au5EUSr SygHePSMl8PVnV4XVCCITl3FHFqfewPwpd/Ml8CziZKRtBWCLKpW/GgkZIJFUav0xKToow/Qp4g18 9UGt6Iew9T2kKt8nuJBccJGDqEVuu+0axMFLM/PtqZR99DKfVj2lxQmsKD6Vvr0r2shS0lmiUFKEl sggGuZi4NmXzx3c5r1spbr+p9kE/FuzoqOfCrFq9W099eGvqOT0Lj5GtzwUAuBBvPN4Y1sgpi61/q 6iuJNiN/KavQs2SO+09NPA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5FAe-00043x-27; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 18:58:48 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87k02ws0pd.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:42:54 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:301367 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I think you are not being serious. If you are, can you explain why > > you consider "luwak" better than "lynx"? > Honestly, neither of the two is that useful for a modern user > (ie. someone who hasn't investigated text-mode web browsers). I think you are bluring the question of a name for the package with the entirely separate question of whether that package is useful. Since the package is a text-based browser, you may be right that it isn't useful for people who are not interested in text-based browsers. Does it follow that it is of no use, that we should not install it? That could be so -- I don't have a conclusion -- but name calling (like "a modern user") doesn't prove it. > If this is to be resolved in the long term, I think a naming guideline > or recommendations (for ELPA) should be written down. To establish a guideline is a good idea. The way to come up with a good guideline is based on some examples. Thus, I think it is useful to discuss this example and handle it in a good way. That will get us started on more general guidelines. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)