From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Package "luwak" Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:34:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87v8mifvcx.fsf@ypei.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6733"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yuchen Pei Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 12 00:35:22 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p4Vqq-0001VE-G9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 00:35:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4VqK-0008QV-4A; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:34:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4VqI-0008Q1-MA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:34:46 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4VqI-0008SX-9Y; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:34:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=K+hJ5T9INRMu1vJV6QIjXHwPh+XXC8tNpOT7kytrSjg=; b=JXUL2A6W5+EM Qz4dsvIlTfzYKd40GbQ32FEuSIgtCzLHBGq76dCZcK9y++v7UzFqHcdArsQBdXx7rwafYXV+u72DB 34TPk3zlUMMDRSkndCo6u1qINK/BdCW/7jCrwTBEt93BsEZCRvsa0zn6dJRJIeRr84B/+T18emQDj bqdJBdHhYU2d+TJRUFlr+8fpPR5SJbuyvKaFwXfbBhMcarda+mlUY/5WdH+YovMamX+B+tL6eNm5x VBqRpsuzAMK5ymKwYB3y10oggBuD0OgKlRAc+EKFWuA4xMzYeySZv4dCGorJyN7OAJ4R7E3YNddb/ y+OAS46Ml9ZMUMgfHDn3RQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4VqG-0000qj-Cq; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:34:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87v8mifvcx.fsf@ypei.org> (message from Yuchen Pei on Sun, 11 Dec 2022 14:54:38 +1100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:301176 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > lynx dump -> feline excretion -> Kopi Luwak > Judging from your talk at EmacsConf, I guess you would still prefer a > different name because this would still fall under word play. I like wordplay in general, but this wordplay is so obscure that no one will get the joke, so it isn't very funny. For names of packages, the priority is to help users find ahwt is useful to them. "Luwak" is no good for that, so we should not use that name. If we want this ackage in Emacs, we should rename it to a name that will help users find it and remember it. That dosn't mean we can't keep this wordplay at all. We could say, somewhere in the package description, that This package was originally called "luwak", making a juke lynx dump -> feline excretion -> Kopi Luwak That would not interfere with higher priorities such as discocerability and memorability. But I think that it won't be sufficient to enable most Emacs users to get the joke. That would require some more explanation. But there's no harm in adding more explanation. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)