From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:35:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <651bbe21-f179-730a-4f10-7dc6d27055ea@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15678"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 12 04:36:47 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1othK2-0003rC-LQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2022 04:36:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1othJC-0006eS-0E; Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:35:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1othJA-0006d6-Qa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:35:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1othJA-00073k-IV; Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:35:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=8T7DBzC+Ei8GlTuOBQgAiSK2ejrOm0oByleDPOR8vuo=; b=PGhPnbvbt02p 1GxkKdEuMcRIdRr5H3yDCObTi9cSKBjRpnWuexB6b9CkbiONWAMbKhUWSgWChNXwdUFiQBfzema/A s0ala73HOauOIm8rd/PG87OBm5Kn5MaRJMmFO8YWX5vc1ruJGcbWCDOLWtVYXjmIFFpvdkpZeUYUR vadu7qmVfQ5E4fGy09EyPO6FyID/hV4kTLFguhZyGtGbDYFKzsHuNhsPvo8MYx1Fe87dIcfN6sOjM f56bf6v5wz4wDsLdloJsdi61tVuHQa6FB/yfh9l8AZdcHSZvIs7lfN8u4lh1TVvlTV5jBfYDd194Z hq7QyYEZiCYJ3dO6KgtSrg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1othJA-0007uv-A1; Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:35:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= on Fri, 11 Nov 2022 10:25:45 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299595 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > We could hide this concatenation most of the time by making print > > cut off the package prefixes that are redundant in their context. > See, that's what I meant when I wrote "there is no design". I am brainstorming, and you rebuke me because it isn't a finished design. We could, > perhaps, maybe, maybe not, hm. That is what brainstorming looks like. You describe the process of brainstorming with words designed to ridicule. That is unreasonable and it is unkind. Please don't do that. Why not use what's there and works? Because it has a bad design flaw in :USE, and it is a lot of added complexity that we are doing fine without. It exists "there", for some value of "there", but I am glad it is not _here_ in Emacs. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)