From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2022 02:47:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <25a8a3a6-81c8-3fbc-434d-fb1b24ae1d62@gmail.com> <83cza48lxe.fsf@gnu.org> <83leop2v0d.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3594"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: akrl@sdf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 07 08:48:17 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1orwrg-0000gJ-Ea for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 08:48:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1orwr5-0000W2-Q1; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 02:47:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1orwr2-0000UC-Tn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 02:47:37 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1orwr1-00069D-9W; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 02:47:35 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=QEI+848tF+DbEL39NhcTDWGU6wTI3tOJ/RfBQra5KN4=; b=l+XYNLo2dccN TFxXF2AtLulL81MYh6WZC9ppm4ZvNPKgH88EwzLdndFUaHT8LxtpjP8xzeWTdA6ciuRVMFIdpy3fH 40Kiiny70lubTEavTdrEcJNNJsvVYdyhjJ0ljofleVZFFOnS87a53zlKqY5PnOtheGE7cPQT2OZBI GTRWD4PRjq2NaWmSNLDOSNI+czoSj3s8ze+X6FcLQjwLy19viRZm2+ytzx6dvOFQNV6/UOQCRFVtm Q8K0bAjgbeWyXZoclNoKxXHSHw9mDNNZu950DyTLg/oTNp/jVRGJrwFMJQvYf2iqsYQHZP2/CqTJ8 chqOTZyPK0IIvx3XNMaSTA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1orwr0-0003v8-SA; Mon, 07 Nov 2022 02:47:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83leop2v0d.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 05 Nov 2022 19:04:02 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299279 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > That is unreasonable. People have been installing very large changes > > just lately. > No, they haven't, not lately anyway. I think package-vc was just installed in master this weekend, and noverlays a few days ago. I think there was another in the past week. > It is a minor feature, indeed, but its effect on low-level code is > quite significant and could potentially destabilize Emacs. It adds a feature that nothing in Emacs actually uses. It is potentially significant, but it won't affect anything if you don't use it. I think you have exaggerated a .01 into .99. Basically, you haven't convinced me that there is a basis for this conclusion. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)