From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2022 23:17:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <25a8a3a6-81c8-3fbc-434d-fb1b24ae1d62@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6392"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 03 04:18:15 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oqQkA-0001Rh-IS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2022 04:18:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oqQjI-0006Pr-T0; Wed, 02 Nov 2022 23:17:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oqQjG-0006PI-Rl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2022 23:17:18 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oqQjG-00089Z-HT; Wed, 02 Nov 2022 23:17:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=O0VuccaYOFAnt+xUuIo5d9FlnF4M1MFZDDWm1tWH/fE=; b=EtbQY4f1KFeO zHcyLdLRn15XaOF3X1+S77B628qqZX/+Rx7YqkizgV2U1MRrlSWNU+SGWdxp7MCC3SxDsU4aMcWxb qZKC7+tf06flybeGLFm6yyttL+sSJdN/8leBWx4vIrBY6LwAi4VMuwTQf7ssL3fsnAR0oB52mI3OQ iTAYNueUtaFsxem6slaQK5w92mLpSJ+RuJOoCusewczj1eznrD40/kU13W/RmGIdxzRiPH7Zh+4WP KaP2G+vOqXlDNCGbovHse31NkOrvem9ahdeMQw65UF9IWtF+fbh0O/53LOtXHRD3z1EN0kXAxZ0qk uKImV8Jfh+H7WDtwHV0CaQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oqQjG-0005Dh-6q; Wed, 02 Nov 2022 23:17:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <25a8a3a6-81c8-3fbc-434d-fb1b24ae1d62@gmail.com> (message from Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= on Mon, 31 Oct 2022 07:27:12 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299046 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > But let me add, as notorious trouble-maker, that shorthands consist of > problems only. If you say that, I guess you don't see how they are useful. I would like to write to explain it, but I can't do that just now. I am far more overloaded than usual. I am backlogged by about 1500 emails MORE than I was backlogged 10 days ago, and struggling to deal with that. In addition, I have to write some important things to post about bigger issues, such as the risky and harmful idea replacing the standard GPL license notice with an SPDX tag. There is no hurry about this issue, so please stop pressuring people to rush it. Let's wait a couple of weeks, so that I have time to read the article about CL packages that you refered to, and then write something about it. > Let's see. I hope that ideology doesn't play a role in Emacs, "Ideology" is a derogatory term for "general political stance which is used as the basis for prsctical decisions." The GNU Project is part of the free software movement, which holds a stance of that kind which can properly play a role in any of our decisions. When you talk about that, please don't use derogatory words. I don't see that it directly enters into this issue, though. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)