From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL packages landed Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2022 15:14:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32868"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 24 06:23:18 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1omozd-0008Pw-VY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 06:23:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1omnIa-0004zr-Vd; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 22:34:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1omgQA-00088t-0V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 15:14:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1omgQ9-0001rt-Gx; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 15:14:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=ajOQ/leT5Vva7v2ZxtahY8GS9JeRpI6EKxui5d1x2oc=; b=U47GVm2FAMk9 C3xFWJ4hu008u9xNprCYANhpu3KoYDcshe0eTuIKT9zbasN4bhacfy6vcA1YlQscTPqj1Yltaa4+n itWX1HOXPxgaK0sL0kbov+J79DCWfTLR6aeEMfUC91ukd3IG50jVZjb7849+dvttgouWM77hfSiS/ plGgyFeoRdmyUp01pcZZu/OtcQc4I/X3S3QlcLS1rbiWyMGvroBPEr2KtGpQ3M/M+zNH/3OgnSqcD q48odcr7kPJS2rq/WJ+cHiIYMNo+D/izppCpPed6upON+nDuXHu74vBd4cB97kXp5o71/PkYZ42jb IocODGkj9oMek4BVMe9slA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1omgQ8-0006ll-6X; Sun, 23 Oct 2022 15:14:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Gerd =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= on Fri, 21 Oct 2022 06:47:05 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298306 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] CL packages are the wrong way to implement packages in Lisp. As I explained in a discussion two years ago, packages implemented using obarrays (or equivalent) don't work reliably. We have a much better basis for Lisp packages in the shorthands mechanism. It only needs to be completed. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)