From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: src/Makefile unhelpful Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2022 00:12:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83bkrrj48w.fsf@gnu.org> <83tu5ifl5d.fsf@gnu.org> <83edwia2m8.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15644"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 14 06:13:52 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oYJmY-0003r2-FF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 06:13:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33830 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oYJmW-0007g6-UD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 00:13:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53306) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oYJlL-0006CW-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 00:12:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49442) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oYJlL-00025o-5B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 00:12:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=ygSzCnAc+/K34iphwHKk+dQfIWwDuUvqRFOGUN2bIXw=; b=AR1PSicQrMX/ iJ0b8deZWJ1zDi5uGG/O0P463lqkm+KXxBVlXG/Tlwp1jLYNO9j1f7+uo9yQrrVVNhu3TilNTs8L/ 1vxe4O6Q1ozG8Vq9Ws9GofziFYFo+YkIB0zZ5KHoreLDr/cLdhCmNV+U+sn/PYKPNmnbZgroZLgp6 0VVIdJvI6NECM3mujEO7WEbpEJ7/8gj1JRFLv5F1LDYfkO7AjxcvOvp//EihWYrAzfg8tMVAQm7Jt dBxoVbU8TvQT0LUVbJUbqjjgZDcObTxPwBtILDkB01bo6iU53phUVbwrFsPDIWAKyFuM416u7IBXL c/twVvdQW6Ag9UNrvgPKJQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oYJlK-0004Gv-Sy; Wed, 14 Sep 2022 00:12:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83edwia2m8.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 11 Sep 2022 08:42:23 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295291 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > These short forms use Make macros defined by Automake, so it isn't > something specific to Emacs. The only Emacs-specific aspects are the > commands that aren't seen in other builds, like byte-compilation -- > for those we invented our own short names. But C/C++ compilation, > linking, production of auto-generated files, etc. -- all this is used > by many other GNU projects. I don't build programs myself other than Emacs, so I have not seen this. Perhaps the ideal response would be a change in Automake to inform users how to see what these commands really do. Alas, I doubt we have anyone to do that. > So, regardless of whether we implement our own > solution for that, I think you should raise that on the autotools > forum. I would like to, even though I fear there is a maintenance crisis there. What exactly is "the autotools forum"? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)