From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2022 00:03:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8735dn30if.fsf@gmail.com> <87pmgr8m3t.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a67u46ld.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgfrsjwg.fsf@yahoo.com> <837d2jn2k1.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2314"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 05 06:09:11 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oV3Q7-0000St-5S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2022 06:09:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43450 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oV3Q5-00062e-VG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2022 00:09:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49050) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oV3L3-0003Cf-Lh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2022 00:03:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47098) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oV3L3-0000EQ-Cn; Mon, 05 Sep 2022 00:03:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=jP4cDX7BpfiwXeSfl1+XIE+1qWMH2JGvlZi9lSVDmnw=; b=N308+qnItIGa 2urbnCZrcLH+8gwLoBI/cosW/Zep3OrFugzLtbzpZ3DWK6HR7/y0qypzqj2b0ysvDZfP6HZjqzO+H ROf7XWT64dGplWopaxdIPHrOxAbvgO61fv8Xbe6is9Id0eWa6VJLJ8eykGWhXJgjL2mn93/wDOeaN XZTrEGheE2VjavC4TT62SlJM8rdjNCoYPwo355eRHZenVTz1ullHyAbEh/Ocls/QAhgAXFHDIounJ 3RZ7AkIH2jSlZsOLZ7iukRx/N0+23j0kI+99fSHxjaoDfe8CPJXJjGsg8icMM5fxPuPUD3RccEbPv 3ZSH6akbtLTdrKJ42FBc0w==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oV3L2-0006E5-V8; Mon, 05 Sep 2022 00:03:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <837d2jn2k1.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 04 Sep 2022 08:14:54 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294721 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Emacs itself uses set-frame-position. It also moves frames on display > via the 'top' and 'left' frame parameters. One notable case where > this happens is the desktop.el package, which restores frame and > window configuration of a previous Emacs session. > So I think the inability to do that is quite a big deal for Emacs > users. When we compile the list of disadvantages of various paths forward for Emacs display on graphics terminals, we should list this as one disadvantage of Wayland. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)