From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2022 23:01:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h725olz1.fsf@gnus.org> <8735dplo5d.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r117a9yf.fsf@yahoo.com> <86bksa467l.fsf@gmail.com> <864jxz7ew7.fsf@gmail.com> <87czclqa0w.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13965"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: theophilusx@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 04 05:02:33 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oUfu4-0003Ux-LL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2022 05:02:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59466 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oUfu3-0007Hb-4p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2022 23:02:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44882) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oUft7-0005lW-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2022 23:01:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oUft6-0002bZ-Q9; Sat, 03 Sep 2022 23:01:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=Kuf+e9nZRv7nkhbROD+4ezwIiC8zxAvMV0PkWD/hcMM=; b=nkrDuzbwujMo 6f0qu7AhQdbQ26BAp920xjsIU4Jgj6XJMWNNtrAgW8CAqNsExJzcxowcYvqy6vTxvlHcWqR8BDHcj tqNOip/F0khA0Z4RYqF5X8HBzZPSHimCcsJHAkW4nN26jMtO0uo40RrY0PXBcQKtb8CnP3m7h1SzN AUR+r5LVanxofHiE/sSxJ0ZXQ90ZXwgZSJAl7/7YecyNk/QAotJnksRbTyIFSiJgSIvCqDSRt/2VE p5aMND2PKueZrs+8LjtFgHgao8T2oZzpF/pJF92My+70/zVzK0v5AvtwaCilbBeSnCwmQdLSypcmr 89Cers1mB4NKwXT93PdgCg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oUft5-0000gx-LH; Sat, 03 Sep 2022 23:01:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87czclqa0w.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:14:55 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294681 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Is using Mate running with GTK 3 tantamount to using GNOME 3? > > Or is it still like GNOME 2? > It is still like GNOME 2. THat's good. I think that Mate is still a solution to consider. > > Another question: do programs that use GTK 2 work well with Mate > > if Mate uses GTK 3? > Yes, as long as GTK+ 2.x is installed. Those programs generally work > well everywhere. > > Another question: do Mate programs ever get screwed by surprise calls > > to _exit inside GTK 3? > Yes, they do. Maybe the Mate developers would be interested in the idea of making a modified version of GTK 3 to fix this. It might be easy to do by compiling GTK 3 with a macro definition to define _exit to call some function we would define. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)