From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:36:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h725olz1.fsf@gnus.org> <8735dplo5d.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r117a9yf.fsf@yahoo.com> <875yii46id.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5144"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 26 05:38:00 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oRQAR-00019e-9T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 05:37:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46826 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRQAQ-0005VQ-AD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:37:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55130) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRQ9R-00047J-9C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:36:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42942) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRQ9Q-0001MG-W7; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:36:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=kl9Qu9Crr+4b0fkV28CqndOOGEvGt0kkDM1YZqd9E+s=; b=B8IA/SbLS6c4 a+SOuKGAgR/pdwmeuXmCCdux0+vwGEsIoHeWP2AirVR+PQg1qNXcnNX5wriQvdxBg56xG7ZafS5EV aSaWNIWBtDF5bLby2hqc4JKIJjtMlVGBV5/H8duELMoJ/GL/3QUXNm0bYFOTeVMhouXreszKlIL2c gJfsoRxt2BegrxgyTNjHZN/FQ2OEvS4oj9ObK+nfKvGwPjBzEX27k3uHBkjdcqmqTQrFdeZXQM919 fJFdIUBQkoV8lPzcgXSnbOyoVE0i66NfjUBRgaFUUdGSI3FMPXesIp+Ttjue+pTkhYzYKJO1f7vIa L+tT+gx9VU4gmnu+rGqW8w==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRQ9O-0008Ez-9x; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:36:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <875yii46id.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:20:26 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294122 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > If newer versions of GTK are lousy, and the other options also have > > bad problems, maybe this is the best. > I guess we could take up maintenance of GTK 2. But it would still be a > lot of work. This is why I suggest that we systematically investigate the amount of work in each of the alternative ways to get an adequate graphical display library for Emacs, in an adequate desktop. Then we can compare them and see which one looks like the least work in total. Then we'll simply have to get the job done. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)