From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 23:52:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ilmlluxq.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ilmlluxq.fsf@yahoo.com> <83h725deo3.fsf@gnu.org> <87bksdltah.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r119bni8.fsf@gmail.com> <87v8ql4kwk.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87tu65ilq2.fsf@telefonica.net> <87fshpgjsg.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23788"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lynn Winebarger Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 24 05:57:07 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQhVq-00063z-Tr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2022 05:57:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33566 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQhVp-0001PB-VV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 23:57:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55274) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQhRr-0001Rs-LE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 23:52:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58792) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQhRq-00076L-As; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 23:52:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=TNvlM7hcZ/n7B4mlQNxr+i8gPzUxX9XOmd7oinZI1lk=; b=Ta2E9jVZsvy0 7PEYwxppc3ntjxYE+lCQzTBTDnKWM3Y2lZRdPrlQ+L6yw4p4r+tVaZ2/6ON76GpDrDo1UV8hODFC2 aHG9cER4RVe5j0To5H4eCc47BOd0kq+GNc9Au9RunCuRCPS/KovTfC0aSnYnQeTFz1xXuIft7DTCw 5g97hXaHz3/CXX5ElddG5rl59vOK76vSQ3QE7AxCgSg8bKCGuNFzcejQeFsSQ0w6SL8+hwF95Sokz ecF1J5sP6lUx91PYi8gZR1MNi5dMix1xzkYywKuQPTgnJBvRL/uZocSEDzU5LkUgFD0GRWPG+PRJO xkpBT8CS776MfX1VHX9Omg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQhRq-0007Bg-2H; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 23:52:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Lynn Winebarger on Tue, 23 Aug 2022 08:15:18 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293943 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Requiring a C++ compiler to build Emacs is a big practical > > disadvantage. Including C++ code in Emacs will be an obstacle for > > people such as me to debug or write code. > Could you elaborate on why this is an issue C++ is a complex language. I don't want Emacs to require developers to know C++. when C++ infrastructure > (including GNU C++ infrastructure) is so widely available? I'm sure there will be some users for which getting that running is a hassle. It may be a minority, in which case this would be a secondary problem. Maybe this by itself would not be enough of a reason not to use C++. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)