From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ELPA submission: python-import Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 23:28:09 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87v8rguhry.fsf@gmail.com> <83k07w6j87.fsf@gnu.org> <87r124ue1w.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18673"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: arstoffel@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 31 05:30:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oHzeu-0004dQ-T5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2022 05:30:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48922 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oHzet-0000wY-3c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2022 23:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39266) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oHzcp-0007IE-5N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2022 23:28:19 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48390) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oHzco-0002R5-6K; Sat, 30 Jul 2022 23:28:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=r3BKRPHKZdfm0nGbfk9+54YRPrzLCcJ36cYirH+62+U=; b=BrF+oiyrUHDq vmWF6yWPUXIRGz8N5QCUHa5K40QiDqIWK1rrjj2er2ZWPh+TjoBByiOD8Rg7BJHi36MUz3YblmecK 2/QGkvUld3TUAyuZbIuu4TCXrOxtHUH839FLguVc7ae9F71qmX6fCAD8BOKeFJH9Oui0uIm1PGhLr vcCP7ad+rAlMLiaybifBusNLKGv7keIze5rTY5Kl/WodvbuOdPHPWryQLDYz7UcvjuKfGMbN+6/aW ofAyd/pyG1shN8eMRZbb16jbyRqfCEOIyu8H6q+snZGYT+72TanK4UBKWNxQku5k1I7heuWcRTl1X A4ASDlbaJZljoX6dqGlRMQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oHzcf-0008BI-DX; Sat, 30 Jul 2022 23:28:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 29 Jul 2022 12:25:53 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:292889 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > FWIW, I don't find those to be good reasons to keep the code separate. > It's quite common for some parts of the functionality of a major modes > to be less thorough (e.g. depend on the presence of some unusual tool, > or depend on specific conventions, ...): it's not ideal, but it's better > than nothing, and also makes it "obvious" where to improve the code. > IOW it can encourage further improvements. I don't use Python, and I don't know what isort or pyflakes do, but if they are not extremely complicated we could write Lisp code to do the job this facility needs. Putting this feature in a separate package would have two disadvantages: * It would make Emacs more complex. * It would discourage users from finding out about the feature. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)