From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs (was: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h74ztshe.fsf@gmx.de> <871qw31ois.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735gj4ceo.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee038ipt.fsf@gmx.de> <87o7z61v59.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkv527p5.fsf@gmail.com> <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> <87r140yuof.fsf@gmail.com> <875yl9e7zm.fsf@gmail.com> <83czfh12kp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmjhghu2.fsf@localhost> <835yl910gp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndndbhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5mqmkh.fsf@localhost> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29296"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, theophilusx@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 00:37:58 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o0sh4-0007VD-B4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 00:37:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57254 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0sh2-00023z-FX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:37:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59870) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0sgE-0001NV-RI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49952) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0sgD-0004dH-8p; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:37:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=POJHaUg82Cp4b2pCiBDfEkEPgh5iKVf3NO0jYBcRFfE=; b=FS6V43WjjYFc yn30BzXEV6/Tj1jBC9aPbnrzPVoJPl99LB+lFtEVrmkPV5WWekgahVoUkYhRYarcdO56gyJOltttx cWLOgz0Xvd3+/UntO7h6ZyrUCb+khe9OuHsghZ1Erzv+VtCG/V5Lv3xldgB+JvbxbDLdb7HtQIij4 LwECaH1XrRsOARLBELEJiHfwwthfM2OAqQ5U41X85CAs5fhmOPKX+mBmrCcLf+ptvqwT+xEfyK8Po dPLILHXA91uIrSvw0upl1Gv68ZV+b4hFNezrPxc3JJTvlTLHCYaMfQhNaHQPvFYt5YAdL6kuNEX6A 3zwqWFuPdg8K5Cpqxx76gg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0sgC-0000jg-U3; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 18:37:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <877d5mqmkh.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sun, 12 Jun 2022 17:05:02 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291155 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > So, now we have our manual written in Org mode and we never had reasons > to come back to texi. I suspect that it doesn't fully follow the markup conventions for GNU manuals. That's because we designed Texinfo to have markup commands to make all the proper semantic distinctions. If the manual source is written in a language which doesn't have the full gamut of markup distinctions, there is no way to do the markup correctly. It would be useful for someone who understands these conventions to check the Org manual and see. I don't think the slowness of processing nowadays is the crucial issue here. Computers are much faster now than in the 1990s. It used to take a long time for TeX to process the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual. Now it is perhaps 10 times as fast. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)