From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs (was: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 18:38:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h74ztshe.fsf@gmx.de> <871qw31ois.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735gj4ceo.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee038ipt.fsf@gmx.de> <87o7z61v59.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkv527p5.fsf@gmail.com> <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> <87r140yuof.fsf@gmail.com> <875yl9e7zm.fsf@gmail.com> <83czfh12kp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmjhghu2.fsf@localhost> <835yl910gp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndndbhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39105"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: theophilusx@gmail.com, yantar92@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 13 00:40:02 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o0WFV-0009xx-LA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 00:40:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48692 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0WFU-0006jx-5s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2022 18:40:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46518) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0WEI-0004gP-U2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2022 18:38:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54770) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0WEH-000651-3V; Sun, 12 Jun 2022 18:38:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=2V1r8y6571k9byqGca42E34J6O7V8mJXHub/gvekUO8=; b=MVMIZ4pVqd7b XiUtOxdj6QEj07IrlfVyeY5xdBfqj+udpOzpo7EFpmMwdsbMw3zh9HLBth6bt/nqomuuKFVbkCmPz kvcnZE7DvYJvsgZ49Q4iLkjFLrZ/ugM3eodc4ucCc6GJQFPWn0+L/S+ZjdQpZliDmxpMXaZ/fEFAe tGLXPArUy0PfWSQJJYm0z3KwFgIfmQE4Gg00NkqDWoWH2fL2QhRICFCnLDmW9f2lG8aKowEIFN96q 3pXDeBEKH9/iriWS4zOf2esDK/ya80U3Ry2d7Rm4AIJ11A4jkPsewOBFfWzQ51FHBndemRyN3XwSC mb7cHvZ/NmFRjCxfu9GLvA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0WEF-0004wJ-Iw; Sun, 12 Jun 2022 18:38:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 11 Jun 2022 09:58:59 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291107 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > some relating to org, some relating to the fact I'm not convinced there > > is a need to replace texinfo, especially given that in some areas, I > > think texinfo is more feature rich and consistent and some relating to the feeling I have > > that the result is hard to justify given the amount of work it would > > require. Why replace Texinfo? Because it has some tricky syntax which it inherits directly from TeX. And some syntax which is cumbersome, again imposed directly by TeX. Nowadays nobody can maintain the TeX-based part which is used to generate printed manuals. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)