From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ns-do-applescript Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2022 18:57:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bkvoo38y.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87bkvoo38y.fsf@yahoo.com> <871qwjn5ca.fsf@yahoo.com> <87fskwk79v.fsf@yahoo.com> <87leumebby.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ee0bdhah.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5424"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 02 00:59:20 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nwXJ9-0001A0-H3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2022 00:59:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39062 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nwXJ7-000595-W0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2022 18:59:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50310) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nwXHH-0003e4-NY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2022 18:57:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46752) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nwXHH-000090-EV; Wed, 01 Jun 2022 18:57:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=SDIhq9Umd9g/xqJgxmKlLgiGX4rDXurPm/wS6olKeXY=; b=odCL3W/6PUXM MB4p2RcHHjaItcxr+202MaRKG8X4jvAmbXl1G0+u4gDH3gFulu4FiiyaeLxD2JqFKgF0Kc0t0MiOi Z3INjs6O0K0trulSmeHNBncPt5x62ciyAVs5qZnZk9T5ubHlGg48hQRhiOZFZrxxgo60xzbMLJD6H v1W1GhwF6x1wl3XSMRn4uWe4f/k94AWf47I3bdmE1Fop6xevkmy2hp7SLTZQ5VCLoCBE+Ye9EfNVL WlUzKkpSKj4zucyrbhLipvG4hWunvAPKTqde6v73wplmS96U8SxeIv2AJaihLLp8LsO0hZkNmGF5X JDdosAIJSdz1fWfEIIpL4g==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nwXHE-0006Lu-R3; Wed, 01 Jun 2022 18:57:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from chad on Tue, 31 May 2022 15:05:48 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290535 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Short, short version: imagine that Sun built a version of solaris that > almost entirely replaced "shell" with a variant of Java that didn't > *inititally* come with a stand-alone interpreter, but did add one later. > Then: s/Sun/Apple/, s/solaris/macosx/, and s/Java/AppleScript/. Sorry, I can't follow that. I know nothing about Applescript except what little I've learned from this conversation. I'd rather not learn enough about Applescript to be able to judge whether using it is ok. I hope that others will understand our general criteria, and the specific facts of these issues, enough to be able to make a thoughtful decision about them. One possible approach would be to delete the Lisp-level interface to run Appescript code, and add C-level support for doing certain system-independent tasks by invoking Applescript. I am not saying that is the one and only right approach, or that it is the best approach. Only that it is one more to consider. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)