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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net>
Cc: philipk@posteo.net, mardani29@yahoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: plz -> curl?
Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 19:25:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1nqk5t-0000N6-2U@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAO_b3FV7GeJsxYQDwDDSqDTLFr5GSgetFckPnB+nyK2bL_1y9A@mail.gmail.com> (message from Adam Porter on Sun, 15 May 2022 02:53:29 -0500)

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We have arrived at a deep and fundamental disagreement about what it
means to make a program clear.  I have pointed out that the name "plz"
gives no information about what the package does.  It is totally
unhelpful.

You contend that an arbitrary and unhelpful name is just as good as a
helpful name.  The argument is that we have commands to do searches
from the name to its purpose and from words in its purpose to the
name.

Those commands are helpful, but using them is laborious by comparison
woth the simple verbalconnection.

For the packages feature, I am a beginner.  I don't know those
commands.  I will learn these commands if I start using packages more,
but there will always be many users who are beginners in this.

Whenever we add a new package, we should consider whether to change
its name first.  But plz has not been installed for long.  Giving it a
clear, meaningful name now won't cause any pain.

A clear meaningful name does not have to be long.  Someone suggested
`curl' -- meaningful, and quite short.  Perhaps `curl-url' would be
even more helpful, to the many who who don't use curl -- and it is
still short.

If no one has a better idea, let's rename it that way now.

It would still be a good thing to design a uniform interface for
fetching a page through any of the various methods Emacs supports.
But that may or may not get written, so let's DTRT for this package
now.

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-16 23:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-09 16:51 [ELPA] New package: plz Adam Porter
2022-05-09 19:50 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-09 21:08   ` Adam Porter
2022-05-10 11:58     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-10  7:51   ` Adam Porter
2022-05-11  9:02 ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-11 10:19   ` Adam Porter
2022-05-11 13:42     ` Filipp Gunbin
2022-05-11 14:02       ` Adam Porter
2022-05-11 14:22     ` Daniel Martín
2022-05-11 15:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-11 18:55       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-11 19:29         ` Adam Porter
2022-05-12 13:06           ` Filipp Gunbin
2022-05-12 13:54           ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-05-12 15:23             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-14 23:58           ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-15  7:53             ` Adam Porter
2022-05-16 23:25               ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2022-05-17  0:50                 ` plz -> curl? Po Lu
2022-05-17  2:13                   ` Adam Porter
2022-05-17  2:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17  2:50                     ` Po Lu
2022-05-17 10:13                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-05-17  8:07                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-17 22:58                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-17  2:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17  3:05                     ` Po Lu
2022-05-17 11:44                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17 11:46                         ` Po Lu
2022-05-17 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17 19:15                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-05-17 22:58                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-17  6:43                   ` Tassilo Horn
2022-05-17  8:17                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-17 10:12                     ` Po Lu
2022-05-17 10:15                       ` Adam Porter
2022-05-17 11:48                         ` Po Lu
2022-05-17 15:38                           ` Tassilo Horn
2022-05-18  0:46                             ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-05-17 12:15                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-17 22:59                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-17 22:58                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-17 12:10                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-17 15:22                         ` Roland Winkler
2022-05-17 22:59                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-21 10:29                         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-22 17:05                           ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-22 23:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-17  8:16                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-05-17 22:59                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-21 10:11                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-15 14:06         ` Wrong default-directory in shell buffer Matthias Meulien
2022-05-15 16:06           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-16 18:06             ` Matthias Meulien
2022-05-16 19:29               ` Matthias Meulien
2022-05-17  9:58                 ` Visuwesh
2022-05-17 19:14                   ` Matthias Meulien
2022-05-17 19:27                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-17 20:59                       ` Matthias Meulien
2022-05-17 21:36                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-13 15:09     ` [ELPA] New package: plz Richard Stallman
2022-05-13 21:54       ` Adam Porter
2022-05-11 21:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-11 22:30   ` Adam Porter
2022-05-11 23:55     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-14 14:12       ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-14 14:23         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-16 23:26           ` Richard Stallman
2022-05-21 11:13   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-21 11:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-05-21 18:16       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-21 14:51     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-21 18:10       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-05-21 20:29         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-05-22 23:02     ` Richard Stallman

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