From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gmail+imap+smtp (oauth2) Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 05:01:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87tu9za6wu.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24776"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tom@logand.com, fitzsim@fitzsim.org, jostein@kjonigsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 11 11:07:10 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1noiJH-0006Ew-Oc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 11:07:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51448 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noiJG-0008LC-9M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:07:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37536) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noiDu-0005B5-NI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:01:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35086) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noiDu-0004aT-Aj; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:01:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=fEwiGy2dacj8Gm2WTj2KWm+g88cF7L0pL9kBZkt4UR0=; b=j7JHiT+rAZ5M xJunJxBmrXTSzUsbpgFfWONv07+8MwU67cTD0Uv1DqGnVj4sUU4hDO53WsL/sDpmdeVsbTlU3ylfJ sKO4IPD6eT0liUVCsrYj+ingDPUWrIlmZglusj0PY+qLzUZnhaiXz+P4igkpcJAj+a4af2wQPKTJI gjfwEPgC28vtz+Dpv+GOTfAdvhfn/HQtJtnT7u+9P4xEaAAbN41E7VV14JkZ/nt8mKOCXb5VzmzLS lLAu6OKl+/j7+X1IFHjkMqZFa0iE83p+lh228crfW64TXcl66btF79kb5LT4i5TyaTsQlkVy/So0K 2aUj2lUnO34nCf9Ptx/xPQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noiDt-0004cY-R5; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:01:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87tu9za6wu.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Tim Cross on Mon, 09 May 2022 10:01:10 +1000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289612 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > In case a school demands you have a Gmail account, it would be useful > > if we had instructions to send to the staff, saying, "You may create > > the account, choose a password, and tell it to me. (Since it will > > only be for email to and from the school, it makes no difference to me > > that school staff will know the password.) Please choose an account > > name with no resemblance to my name. Please set the account settings > > as follows so that my software can access the account." > > > There is no way any institution would support such a workflow. Apart > from the additional resource demands, It looks like we are miscommunicating. I think you're thinking about a change in the university's general practices. I'm talking about demanding that some staff person do this once -- for you -- as a special thing. Perse will be shocked and say, "But then I would know your password!" That gives you a chance to shock per again by saying, "That's ok -- I trust a university employee more than I trust Google." Then you can say that you refuse to run Google's proprietary software on your computer, and likewise Microsoft and Apple, because trusting them that far is against your principles. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)