From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gmail+imap+smtp (oauth2) Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 05:01:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87k0b2tkg1.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87zgjx4qhs.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkwcgmr3.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87levfzqj2.fsf@yale.edu> <871qx7scvi.fsf@gmail.com> <87v8ujqec5.fsf@logand.com> <87ee172fjz.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2123"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 11 11:26:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1noibz-0000GC-VR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 11:26:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50878 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noiby-00024i-Gm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:26:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37400) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noiDg-00057L-RP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:01:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35078) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noiDf-0004Ye-Ux; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:01:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=ljtbP/siA3IhscUmqShdqTbrpA3z9FYQDFffuEuQSdk=; b=P/4d35X9wzF7 OMLUDCODU8941S7cmTIAn8aFxme9S7PfAA+EYougkOBrF2QX0xcTtmq+mOMMyLjh1EE70rVEY9zqk Glok7bF3TyIJtU7c9jWA8rpoHtnKfmlnJet27X1BmF0OOAbSA3H5MxKJCN73iZtjm4mO7gI48DA8M v0AGWTpCE6jv7+8Ll8ERGLU2/wuy6zGmCGCxNJWxPM1WthdYrL+HBYLEy54fOUhkrRJamdhIZGXjC pdxpSeJlbk8dxFqv3jr1BERJBGUZaVsP6IIUrXv0tC7b04vTPUbY/GeMbrF50BCPgTFAKKkZ6Z2wv TIpGSnHRGiDBupjpFb5hSQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1noiDZ-0004ax-HC; Wed, 11 May 2022 05:01:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Fri, 06 May 2022 08:46:01 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289617 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Regardless of this "why", I think what it means is that it's perfectly > OK to use it in Free Software, with the "secret" key in plain sight. > I think from Google's point of view all it means is that we're more > prone to DoS attacks where someone abuses the "secret" key causing > Google to revoke the key. Google won't suffer from it, we will, so they > don't care. I think that is plausible. However, the idea that these secret application keys were designed for web dis-services, rather than for programs you can install, seems plausible to me too. Because a program and a service are fundamentally different, using a single term (such as "app") for both of them creates devastating confusion. When davmail was mentioned, I needed to know which one it was, and you saw it was not easy to explain the question. You can help educate people about ths difference. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)