From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gmail+imap+smtp (oauth2) Date: Sun, 08 May 2022 19:36:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <871qxbdulc.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k0b2tkg1.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87zgjx4qhs.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkwcgmr3.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87levfzqj2.fsf@yale.edu> <871qx7scvi.fsf@gmail.com> <87v8ujqec5.fsf@logand.com> <87ee172fjz.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6bur4z7.fsf@logand.com> <871qx6e96v.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30798"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tom@logand.com, jorge@democraciareal.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 09 01:40:16 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nnqVc-0007pI-34 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 09 May 2022 01:40:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43100 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nnqVb-0001Dq-3L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 08 May 2022 19:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36682) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nnqSR-0006JB-CU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2022 19:36:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41052) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nnqSQ-0003tf-If; Sun, 08 May 2022 19:36:58 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=glpfFuRmwCPI650Ayca7TToeBTubumvO6kNxia7OUfo=; b=iN6U2rOdKF0D anQE/+HM+OMsl/bkd+rx80SkWykIIK4wvJN1yzfLx5f1RnddNMDKjwi3U6jROxQ3TjKUhML7ZooTM 8WgfhDiemf0b3mToHbVwXKN0V3WBmGxRP8MFghPC9Kx5Ra9WGI+Tzi5YJjhZ5hvdyAvcgyAR5FA7h wT2L4A5ladvpAUAX1jw7kc9s4KafOaVbMXyrHqi2Kx/wsFZbKGIVAr5t2J+LlSkFnyElW0STy7WlF 1d6TRDPTE3/g9znO+ct9kadDRrb4ux3UMhm4Opjt4fVQXhPzEp7kdU/bgWHxMeVLgcMkVUfnCjXP3 gt2/pz5tF7pQJUIaeIfdZA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nnqSQ-0005tY-3p; Sun, 08 May 2022 19:36:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871qx6e96v.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Tim Cross on Sat, 07 May 2022 04:55:50 +1000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289505 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I disagree. The spec is open and anyone can implmeent it in any language > they want and can license it according to any license they want. > Google's implementation may not be open, but someone else could just as > easily write an implementation which is. I have to point out that whether a protocol is "open" is not what we are concerned about. We do not advocate "open". Our concern is whether the Oauth2 protocol can be used to communicate with Gmail without using any non-libre software. Free (libre) and open are different ideas and not equivalent. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)