From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gmail+imap+smtp (oauth2) Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 19:18:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <871qxbdulc.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87k0b2tkg1.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87zgjx4qhs.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkwcgmr3.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87levfzqj2.fsf@yale.edu> <871qx7scvi.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29583"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jorge@democraciareal.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 07 01:20:03 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Ew-0007UZ-TY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 07 May 2022 01:20:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47256 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7Ev-00013S-EY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:20:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54890) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7DX-0006g0-W2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:18:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56620) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7DX-00019j-D2; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:18:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=9FsNKE1jEce5/wrCNXcjTwML6btxjUHPd9tpO21g2l4=; b=Q2g0w0T3KcLL sPzDDH45pDD/wVJz4qYdb/GbFIT0lGCFfFWCtC6Rt5q7GFb6APL6PGpfs27bAEvicKmuQw57n46Lg t5dVxHvlQ8uXmTHsVtn93qX8mmwEtPNjSmtya80kPRWRuidIFkdSR9FKJ+G1vyb1TZq1LSpTmTBTR ltQPtjLDohxfdTjv6LV7qrwmBeEQTka/Q2Z0pvBaYi/SoUBtsqpdiLYC/TRL7qAMbpi0Y56VY1PeL tuaMpCzLWjVkeYmvsghwYBZlQrnnZI802IIVgq8vUl915QsU0aPHI49A6uBq6nj1498neLGONJgwE FY6CHV0Y+F5xqSijN14agA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nn7DW-0001Ul-9r; Fri, 06 May 2022 19:18:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871qx7scvi.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Tim Cross on Fri, 06 May 2022 10:43:00 +1000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289351 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think this > is precisely the area where the FSF could assist as they might be able > to at least get the issue looked at by senior enough Google/MS > executives to get a definitive answer. We could try to do that, but we would need a precise and clear description of the scenario and the question. We're not experts on that. I don't think Google was willing to confront this question when it arose in 2019. It would be necessary to raise a loud campaign. If it turns out that other acceptable solutions do work in the free world. I think it would be better to recommend them. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)