From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 2e9111813b: Add two classic Common Lisp macro-writing macros Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 23:59:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <164974332528.14217.12591424007013368601@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220412060205.8B446C01687@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87wnfux0ok.fsf@yahoo.com> <87r161po2g.fsf@athena.silentflame.com> <87y208z1p2.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6651"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Sean Whitton Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 15 06:01:57 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nfD9h-0001X8-4u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 06:01:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34882 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nfD9f-00006j-HT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 Apr 2022 00:01:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60356) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nfD7W-0007cg-FI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 23:59:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50112) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nfD7W-0002Cf-53; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 23:59:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=kmFCH5o7GJabjZDpvO350WVZbsm5oYNJIdlmbGqVcjM=; b=aVwCyUJJOF90 59wGDBExuqO25QTY83+1PJhkHyh59b6y6KILHiGxii/R7VXNgApi/RoPnIDNpPNblVHAzjGyE8Ufb CqscjazIuF7uGn42+Dw0GDg8fo75PM5olyUykR9VIUaoypFZUmk0WuWFiM6nOuTc+3qN/FIqtpIBI 7KRMgFX0gqCzTBmF7IYCpuD0EXdPaRx3X2R0KN+VSijvcgdIH6o1T4fAdm53TQF+Wo6K6uRWxN+re y9vxm9GVPbrmnqzZqJvczU9QLN5q/EIjoXvOnBauJV9CL/uAJwG/yI59BqMlIwS19TnV6x7XD2WG1 aBNQqHLHvLLgKLEB5Km8Lw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nfD7U-000753-Ue; Thu, 14 Apr 2022 23:59:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87y208z1p2.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (message from Sean Whitton on Wed, 13 Apr 2022 22:14:17 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288417 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > The purpose of the `cl-' prefix is so that we don't need to describe > > those Common Lisp functions in the manual. That is for functions > > whose reason for existence in Emacs Lisp is compatibility. > That might have been the initial purpose, but there are already things > with that prefix which are not only for compatibility. For example, > cl-letf, which isn't actually anywhere in CL but only in Elisp! Why was it given that name? Is there a good reason for that to be its name? Should we rename it to `letf'? Is it documented in the Emacs Lisp Ref Manual now? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)