From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Touchscreen support Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:43:10 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87czlxkntg.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87czlxkntg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mtkziwhi.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnk3h0hn.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o85fgx4x.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735mqh5tp.fsf@yahoo.com> <875yrj3m84.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ilviy3pv.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tuf1s16t.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27322"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 23 04:44:25 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0F1l-0006wP-2B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 04:44:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47300 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0F1j-0000qm-Lj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:44:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52688) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0F0Y-0006sl-V4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:43:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=41396 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0F0Y-0008Qo-47; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:43:10 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=atFIFaTC7gKAsrN0nSkO4g7GrsqeEUH44SUg2VlPx6Y=; b=f3a/wBCXQ++6 MB5G4zLD49CfF78+qV/HXlBuGMDc4WyC2tzUpAnOd34xr+a2xl2HYAzY2/lIgNecpGXwwgYEbkRuf wHApe2K5+UmP7cMWZdz74XZrFUSu3K1Igp71nxiuwRcbrBpfJ7ro0Sws4mZe2U5V4G0bT0q88b516 2/+UpBE+a1eazRslxXICIxW086YT9U3YwG0IuCqMiwX2u7ZbY3j+oWjvVsTIayReucDsRaKX/PMMx Gw1HumBtCVQ8Rxamk6d0GxJzBTvwJKPjFSClr/Ncp+U8Hxnu2ZwOspmEbn++lfvYbHuhkH3caqPDP /NBBJmTFYXR9O7dOWg2z1w==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0F0Y-0007pX-AO; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:43:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87tuf1s16t.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Wed, 22 Dec 2021 12:39:22 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282860 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > 2. Is it possible for Emacs to work with that new method? > Yes, but that would require very large changes. For instance, Lisp code > wouldn't be able to create frames anymore, that task instead being > delegated to GTK+. I am confused by this statement. The first half seems to talk about the interface for Lisp code, while the second talks about internals. Why can't Lisp code direct GTK+ to create a new frame? There may be a reason, I'm only saying I can't yet see why so. > > 3. Surely Emacs is not the only system that handles user-defined > > menus. How do the others work with GTK or with GNOME? > The GTK developers have decided that those applications are undesirable, > so they are not supported anymore. Does this mean they have decided not to support Emacs any more? Have they said anything about this problem? > This is why I defined a > custom menu bar widget that tries to imitate the look of the built-in > widget in my (WIP) port of Emacs to GTK 4, instead of working around its > deliberate limitations. If that solution remains possible, I guess the problem isn't so bad -- a least, not with X11. But maybe with the new fashion in toolkits that solution won't exist any more. Is that what you're saying? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)