From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Touchscreen support Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:15:49 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87czlxkntg.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87czlxkntg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mtkziwhi.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnk3h0hn.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o85fgx4x.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735mqh5tp.fsf@yahoo.com> <875yrj3m84.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29721"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 21 05:17:53 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mzWb2-0007Zb-RL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 05:17:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38588 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzWb1-00009R-Ph for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:17:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37462) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzWZ3-0005re-Pe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:15:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=35688 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzWZ3-0001BW-Ex; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:15:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=p7bJllJeIuGAMvQrSLN7FmUpUQ3LnTm23OSODUv0dy8=; b=K9LrbstVAQjR hEPMt+IOxwxGocsoZ/oTzOHU0HNbXuICJEljlUQcyh8e6PeLUWIjaWQP326YAng0Oq/9RNRNrFcor Yj66lQPcG8nnN8tKtiU4480sfx9X88wFZmrXXWftt5AhREMDDL6hnE3xsg6DwhOsF6JceGdCBNt2c mqalFJSkcxa5VJBaJ53aRoJnKPmMVe0vLzSKPTMdDUPsYlsoZ7xImDaqLlwsuJM04zG8gR95b+Vvl WKBMUsPB+aB0J7WK9kWohIHDlGHpyQeyFK/3ZBzQhr+Zhuom2rT8cmNtAOGyHcgsVUi0nr57jZA83 CjZhrV5vCo5jPoxVDJtFKQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzWZ3-00013I-KK; Mon, 20 Dec 2021 23:15:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: <875yrj3m84.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:59:39 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282555 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > What is causing this to become more difficult? > Probably the proliferation of very different high-level abstractions > among toolkits, which then proceed to discourage applications from using > the lower-level (but more general) alternatives. That sounds like a big problem, but it is described in a very abstract way. Can you present a concrete exanple of such a difference in abstractions? Would it be possible to invent a higher-level abstraction to unify these toolkits? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)