From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: [PATCH] Package Installation in Tutorial Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:44:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: <864k7ro07p.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37550"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: danflscr@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 04 06:48:44 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNud-0009Zs-Vm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 06:48:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46696 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNuc-00051m-4Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:48:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35218) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNqN-0002fg-4G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:44:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=50716 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNqM-0006ao-MQ; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:44:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=wA2gfaYl8IbErlOqSZiF6RbLyCyCfj8ce0Zl4I6KVGY=; b=aWeqdgRX3gEH hyeHJE42GCC8bsmXEieC4LDrPK8+WYhGjIkrz8a/zvh6GDboEZC/ai1rvzCr+QDs7vjGXR0ea4a9e WiPj+B9C55+cOfN26CFdlVk1oDaPUAxIXPNtnOlyLNY7CJkFNtNs7DoOrUSMZv+P7FXLtPXtZxqcY fJlxCFinGntyf877gVFJGy4fvq6Wx68wLRK2mtdPUpcpRDTOvtrwuSPMnn1gpgxyFQlH/wZjDBPL9 pofJlh3bk0pkvvn3bID5nrf04knDtBiWu3FXnf1aS7JKnIVAVV6ISKxxdmLDRX4MgdbunPgYmrbPg NDZpGqF3kKbJwrrZVxx2kQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtNqL-0006dO-Mg; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 00:44:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 3 Dec 2021 18:53:41 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280890 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I'd suggest that teaching basic customization > should be more useful/important than teaching > how to install an external package. But I > don't claim to be right about that suggestion. I tend to think that neither one is important enough to include in the tutorial. I think that neither operation is part of what people need to know, when they are at the very basic level that the tutorial aims to teach. But I'm not going to argue about it. > That sounds like another fine addition to make. Maybe someone could > write up 15-20 lines or so about how to use `M-x customize'? To teach this to the sort of people that need the tutorial calls for walking the reader through an example. That would require a hundred lines, or maybe 200. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)