From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GStreamer xwidget Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 23:31:15 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87ee7cq2mu.fsf.ref@yahoo.com> <87ee7cq2mu.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgpzp80c.fsf@yahoo.com> <87czmvtf68.fsf@gnus.org> <87ilwmov9j.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39536"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 22 05:33:43 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mp11S-000A8D-JB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2021 05:33:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47572 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mp11R-00018f-5Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2021 23:33:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35912) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mp0z5-00068l-Oe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2021 23:31:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=48240 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mp0z5-0001ZW-FP; Sun, 21 Nov 2021 23:31:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=ybWhVHVa47SRpcnaH9tHkGepIAbJJ18CzMMjHXcfbuo=; b=I3Huy4kebkHY A9J597vtTgOGCkfDv/MF3JvKt9fN3oDgttI912HtyaCz3VZ5dD1D1m4NGvQblOSY6LdXSaHm8T1oj fMQU95koawhgoTGqXdY8S/Lln2JHSvHWUvgbOpEIfAP5ZRYvLYqjudRWuM3s49uRWfx5+oyUtFlTv aXQECfFYWJo+mSgWQ2gAQNv4mc9sTaLJjisaOwpEQxhlbiuyzY9RTZSH1yX+9b7yQINpb5HNwqCds j9RuUU0AYnK4M1akCOsOTi5FuVc41lpXZPuKJNCbK+Xz5DwBFhsN6yVgXrKbcYad8d8y5Ux86lnWN n72W9zf8ep5EzxEEU90jNQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mp0z5-0002jX-7d; Sun, 21 Nov 2021 23:31:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ilwmov9j.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 21 Nov 2021 07:52:40 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279905 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > How _exactly_ does that relate to letting Emacs make GStreamer windows? > Windows? There's no GStreamer windows. > Po Lu's patch is for putting GStreamer widgets into buffers, and this > will allow eww to display the videos embedded in web pages in Emacs. Thank you for telling me this. I don't know how this patch works, or how GStreamer works, or how eww works -- that's why I am asking these questions. It's not easy to recognize all the questions that need to be asked. Sometimes I make an assumption without realizing it, such as assuming that a widget would be handled by telling a window to display it, and it turns out that's mistaken. > > Please describe the scenario clearly and spell out the argument. > > That way we can tell what conclusion really follows. > You seem to be demanding a lot of stuff here. I'm asking the questions that will enable me to understand the situation so I can tell whether this feature fits the goals and values of the GNU Project. It is important to recognize situations where a feature raises doubts, and think carefully about the issue before installing the feature. When we neglect to have that discussion in advance, the GNU Project can drift into a contradictory moral position, and that is very bad. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)