From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving kbd to subr.el Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:34:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <874k9jzu7a.fsf@gnus.org> <874k9juy0r.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtnbtimj.fsf@gnus.org> <87wnmd13ny.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfx10xs6.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7dfpjn3.fsf@gnus.org> <31b2f1e94178d73e5f05@heytings.org> <87czo3pgs1.fsf@gnus.org> <31b2f1e9412d60db82df@heytings.org> <87o87moopl.fsf@gnus.org> <19fca5d18b63e6eff5de@heytings.org> <87wnmaiida.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgr6gw9s.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1chhhkh.fsf@gnus.org> <27b660e5a897f955064e@heytings.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7319"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 21 00:54:05 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mdKTE-0001et-Og for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 00:54:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42012 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdKTD-0001bC-Cc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:54:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42748) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdKAX-0003A0-3b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:34:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58072) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdKAW-0003Uq-P9; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:34:44 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdKAV-0004wu-Fv; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:34:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <27b660e5a897f955064e@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Tue, 19 Oct 2021 07:48:02 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277476 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Emacs 29 + 2*N: allow only the kbd syntax, display an error otherwise. Indeed, you have demonstrated it would be _possible_ to eliminate the old key binding syntax. But we _should not do that_. The breakage of so many old programs would be gratuitous harm and pain! Stefan Monnier wrote: > Whether we do manage to completely remove it or not > doesn't matter very much for the benefit of Emacs users we should make > it so the user and coder will never need to know about it, and for that > we should actively discourage its use That I'm in favor of. , starting by not supporting it > where it doesn't have to be supported. That's so terse and abstract that I am not sure what it concretely means. Maybe it's a good idea. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)