From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 02:06:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <87ee99dv34.fsf@gmail.com> <07cf50ddddb5a9556aa94201a7ac88c9@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14915"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joaotavora@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Phil Sainty Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 30 08:53:51 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVpx0-0003gF-Rq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 08:53:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37660 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVpwz-0001wZ-6X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 02:53:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51508) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVpDQ-0005ai-ME for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 02:06:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVpDQ-0004wU-8s; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 02:06:44 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVpDP-000103-SC; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 02:06:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <07cf50ddddb5a9556aa94201a7ac88c9@webmail.orcon.net.nz> (message from Phil Sainty on Wed, 29 Sep 2021 01:49:59 +1300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275854 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Other people actually now have to mentally account > for the fact that every symbol they see might not actually exist by > that name. I think that very few Emacs users, and few Emacs Lisp programmers, will need to account for this. We will fix various tools to handle them seamlessly. Are you assuming that a symbol will have a usual long name, and someone will define a shorthand so as to refer to it by a shorter name? That usage will be possible, but the way I want to use it is different. Namely, a package's entry points will have only one name, the same name people already know. But -- and this is the change -- that name will be visible only in programs that require the package. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)