From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gitlab Migration Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2021 23:37:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h7fcnmq0.fsf@posteo.net> <83tujbqg4j.fsf@gnu.org> <46353190-1190-495f-b15e-22980159b3ab@yandex.ru> <83y28mp0rb.fsf@gnu.org> <51a363db-fde7-791d-cf8d-98ac601d62ee@yandex.ru> <57ca4d78-2339-201d-edce-678c9b003a99@yandex.ru> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4068"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, danflscr@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 02 05:41:34 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mLdba-0000pt-Pr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 02 Sep 2021 05:41:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43128 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mLdbZ-0002uS-N4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 23:41:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52124) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mLdXx-0005d6-ND for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 23:37:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46474) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mLdXw-0002h5-DT; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 23:37:48 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mLdXv-0003FZ-Ie; Wed, 01 Sep 2021 23:37:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:43:32 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273691 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The above is literally my observations > on our decision-making in the area. The substance of your statement may be based on observations. It may be a valid position -- I don't know. But the way you said it is sarcastic: > making sure that each > key binding that has been with us for a number of years, is left > unchanged for ever. You have not had time to observe anything last "for ever". None of us ever does. That is an exaggeration, and it is sarcasm. > We hate to risk inconveniencing existing users. That is also a sarcastic way of making the point. > appealing to newcomers (and/or trying to adopt contemporary usability > practices) is of much lesser priority than, Perhaps we do give it lower priority. Perhaps it correct to do so. It isn't bad to argue for the other position, but doing so with sarcasm makes it more of a fight. Sarcasm increases antagonism regardless of whether the point is valid. If you don't try to avoid sarcasm, you will continue bringing acrimony. Instead of convincing people, you're likely to entrench their positions. Please agree to help keep discussion friendly. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)