From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gitlab Migration Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 22:59:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h7fcnmq0.fsf@posteo.net> <87czpzzqa0.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22756"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 28 05:01:59 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mJobX-0005kp-9A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 28 Aug 2021 05:01:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36318 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJobV-0005bf-Gg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 23:01:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36978) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJoZ0-0002hm-5R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 22:59:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48228) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJoYz-0002hk-TR; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 22:59:21 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mJoYz-0000ZH-FC; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 22:59:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87czpzzqa0.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Tim Cross on Fri, 27 Aug 2021 09:52:55 +1000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273214 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > They communicate/share information via slack, discord, reddit, instagram > etc. Those are online dis-services -- they treat users unjustly. Each of them requires users to run nonfree software to talk to it, even when the user is doing so through a web browser. Several of them have other unjust practices I know of; see stallman.org/slack.html, discord.html, instagram.html. To recommend that people use one of them would contradict our goal of computing that respects the user's freedom. Thus, we can't recommend any of them. Whatever practical "advantages" it might have, they could not make up for the moral contradiction it would cause. >From the node References in the GNU Coding Standards: ====================================================================== A web page recommends a program in an implicit but particularly strong way if it requires users to run that program in order to use the page. Many pages contain Javascript code which they recommend in this way. This Javascript code may be free or non-free, but non-free is the usual case. If the purpose for which you would refer to the page cannot be carried out without running non-free Javascript code, then you should not refer to it. Thus, if the purpose of referring to the page is for people to view a video, or subscribing to a mailing list, and the viewing or subscribing fail to work if the user's browser blocks the non-free Javascript code, then don't refer to that page. ====================================================================== It's fine if users have the _option_ of communicating with the maintainers and developers via some interface other than email. (Or ten different interfaces other than email.) But when some of them use it. that must not compel the maintainers and developers to use it too. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)