From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: oauth2 support for Emacs email clients Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 06:46:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <52589.36892.953561.24840@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33079"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: winkler@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 14 12:47:02 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mErBu-0008NG-FS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 12:47:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51016 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mErBs-00061T-FP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 06:47:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44668) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mErB2-0005LG-4Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 06:46:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47430) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mErB1-0000z7-De; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 06:46:07 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mErB1-0003H3-94; Sat, 14 Aug 2021 06:46:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Gregory Heytings on Tue, 03 Aug 2021 20:40:43 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272379 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > >> Someone might agree to take the legal risk to violate these TOS. > >> IANAL, but I observe that no other "small" free software project (e.g. > >> Mutt or Alpine) took that risk. Two larger free software projects > >> (Thunderbird and Kmail) took that risk, but their apps were registered > >> by a legal person, not by a developer. > > > > There you have something, isn't FSF a legal person? Is GNU an > > organisation right? Can someoe point me at the _precise_ agreement text for this? Then the FSF could actually study the question. Part of what we would have to think about is whether agreeing would enable us to fix the problem by including these tokens in the Emacs release. If we didn't include them, the agreement would (as far as I can see) do no good. (BTW, I think every human being is a "legal person" too.) -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)