From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: oauth2 support for Emacs email clients Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2021 10:15:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <52589.36892.953561.24840@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <871r7aubp5.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87lf5ircmd.fsf@gmail.com> <20210803131426.GB12628@tuxteam.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26230"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 05 16:17:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mBeBU-0006Yo-ID for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2021 16:17:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54812 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mBeBT-0001do-Co for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2021 10:17:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52192) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mBe9Z-0007H0-Py for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Aug 2021 10:15:21 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39086) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mBe9Z-0003zf-Cj; Thu, 05 Aug 2021 10:15:21 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mBe9Z-0005T5-4j; Thu, 05 Aug 2021 10:15:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20210803131426.GB12628@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272085 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > It is indeed "security through obscurity". But it is (a kind of) > > security nonetheless [...] > I can't help it. To me it smells of some semi-hidden variant of > "market control". We can't tell what "their" intentions were, and indeed, those that approved this spec may have had different intentions. The companies that implement the spec may have different intentions now. And each company may change its intentions in 2022 or 2023. Thus. I think speculating about intentions is unprofitable. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)