From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:08:52 -0400 Message-ID: References: <831ba60af0cbfdd95686@heytings.org> <87mtuxj8ue.fsf@gnus.org> <9088e12cb3de3d30abf1@heytings.org> <8735wnjsum.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg4n9jei.fsf@gnu.org> <271290d7aac58f2f9e96@heytings.org> <83czvr9hvc.fsf@gnu.org> <271290d7aa69bbcaa204@heytings.org> <83lfae8fbg.fsf@gnu.org> <22aaf0fadd0894af49d9@heytings.org> <83v99i6ink.fsf@gnu.org> <22aaf0fadd0870c0e9f8@heytings.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32792"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 23 20:05:41 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lOmLU-0008QC-9w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:05:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49320 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOmLT-0000xe-C4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:05:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50442) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOlSX-0006B2-Hk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:08:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33155) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lOlSW-0001Cf-Q2; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:08:52 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lOlSW-0002MH-2o; Tue, 23 Mar 2021 14:08:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: <22aaf0fadd0870c0e9f8@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:51:47 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266886 Archived-At: >> I see your points, but all this is rather sad, because it means that >> Emacs is forever locked by what looks very much like a historical >> accident. > > I disagree, on both counts: Emacs isn't locked, and what we have is not > an accident. I think you understood what I meant: the "C-o" key is locked in the default bindings, and the fact that "C-o" was bound to open-line is a historical accident. C-o is bound where it is because when Emacs was written, someone -- most probpobly RMS -- bound it there, so it isn't really a historical accident but rather an active design decision. There is also a reason why C-x C-o where it is.